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Is this a thing? Why don't we fund this?

ThoughtEx. said:
Yeah, embryo is different from fetus, but at one point no one thought you could do that, til we did.

From my limited knowledge, the biggest difference between the two, would be a fetus depends on the placenta to survive. So that would need to be transferred as well. Which would need the second uterus prepped in advance. Probably can't just throw the sucker in there without the new mother's body fighting it off. So will need some drug research.

I'm just saying if it's not a thing, that's the closest thing and we expand from there.
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Okay. Let me know when fetus transplant is a thing, then we can talk about rules...and funding.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I pay taxes in the top bracket in two countries. One of them is Canada. On some level I pay for a little bit of everything .
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Like I said, you pay for it.

Not sure how this reply has any bearing on my demand.
 
noonereal said:
Like I said, you pay for it.

Not sure how this reply has any bearing on my demand.
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Oh just letting you know, that your incessant whiny 'pay for it' is going to fall on deaf ears because I likely will pay for it. And I won't bitch about it, because you could tax my ass at 80 percent and I'd still have enough to buy a new boat every year.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
yeah, how bout no, artificial womb sounds like some sci fi bull**** from Dune. Which turns out if you read the books was women they kept locked in tanks.

They did transplant a womb, implant a fertilized egg, and the kid was born. So they are making advances in that region of the body. It's not out of the realm of possible at some point.
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Nah, you just replace the transference from an artificial womb with a human uterus and it is the same exact concept with the same exact issues and risks for woman with the unwanted pregnancy.
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You are discussing this transference as a replacement for abortion...and it simply is not pragmatic.
 
year2late said:
Nah, you just replace the transference from an artificial womb with a human uterus and it is the same exact concept with the same exact issues and risks for woman with the unwanted pregnancy.
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You are discussing this transference as a replacement for abortion...and it simply is not pragmatic.
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You would make a terrible inventor, you know that. You're that voice that sits on the shoulder whispering in the ear, you can't do it.

Is that how you want to go through life, with a can't do attitude?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
You would make a terrible inventor, you know that. You're that voice that sits on the shoulder whispering in the ear, you can't do it.

Is that how you want to go through life, with a can't do attitude?
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I do not invent the human body. I have been in the medical field for almost 4 decades,

If you want a fetus safely out of a woman's body to put into another woman's body...……….the "donor" will need to go through a major procedure. I am not saying it is impossible at all. I am saying abortion is a very safe procedure that does not require anesthesia and only takes a few minutes. You are asking for a fully intact fetus (including placenta) to be removed unharmed from her body. You are going to either need to cut her or fully dilate her cervix and visualize it all in order to accomplish your task.

Perhaps, like one poster in the past, think the "invention" will be a teleportation device.


By the way,millions of people are waiting to hear your idea....if you could figure out a way to get a fetus from the womb without pain or damage to the woman's body.....they will in one fell swoop yell out "screw Lamaze"!!!!
 
ThoughtEx. said:
So, is it possible to transfer an unwanted pregnancy to someone who wants it?

Like what if there was a national registry, and if you are unable to have biological children or just want to do it this way because your own genetic history is really messed up like full of cancer. You put yourself on this registry.

And when some girl gets knocked up, she contacts the registry, goes in has the already fetus transferred to the mother who will birth and raise the baby.

I haven't looked it up, and I am aware of invitro or however you spell it.

But couldn't this be a no brainer common ground move everyone can agree on?

Pro lifers, isn't worth the funding and the stigma of a lil socialism to save human lives?

Pro Choicers, I really can't see you having any kind of problem with this, but if you do, come on man and or woman and or whatever you are. It's not coming with the caveat to end abortion. It's just a thing we could do as an alternative.
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The placenta begins to grow after the egg is fertilized and moves to the womb. I dont believe you can transplact an attached placenta due to rejection. So there is that.
 
year2late said:
I do not invent the human body. I have been in the medical field for almost 4 decades,

If you want a fetus safely out of a woman's body to put into another woman's body...……….the "donor" will need to go through a major procedure. I am not saying it is impossible at all. I am saying abortion is a very safe procedure that does not require anesthesia and only takes a few minutes. You are asking for a fully intact fetus (including placenta) to be removed unharmed from her body. You are going to either need to cut her or fully dilate her cervix and visualize it all in order to accomplish your task.

Perhaps, like one poster in the past, think the "invention" will be a teleportation device.


By the way,millions of people are waiting to hear your idea....if you could figure out a way to get a fetus from the womb without pain or damage to the woman's body.....they will in one fell swoop yell out "screw Lamaze"!!!!
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Would have to be a specially designed incubator designed to keep the placenta alive. Rather than the fetus itself. Would be my guess.
 
chuckiechan said:
The placenta begins to grow after the egg is fertilized and moves to the womb. I dont believe you can transplact an attached placenta due to rejection. So there is that.
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had the same problem with hearts, til we didn't. Hell, they can put the heart of a pig into you now.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Oh just letting you know, that your incessant whiny 'pay for it' is going to fall on deaf ears because I likely will pay for it. And I won't bitch about it, because you could tax my ass at 80 percent and I'd still have enough to buy a new boat every year.
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You best look up the word whinny.

I was direct and uncompromising in my reply.

You pay for it.

Thanks.

--------------- Oh, and 50% is fine just eliminate the regressive social security tax advantages enjoyed by the elite.


Glad to know you are so affluent... thanks for inappropriately jumping to post that. We all know what is posted on the internet is true, never a internet blow hard in sight. :2wave:
 
noonereal said:
You best look up the word whinny.

I was direct and uncompromising in my reply.

You pay for it.

Thanks.

--------------- Oh, and 50% is fine just eliminate the regressive social security tax advantages enjoyed by the elite.


Glad to know you are so affluent... thanks for inappropriately jumping to post that. We all know what is posted on the internet is true, never a internet blow hard in sight. :2wave:
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I used whiny correctly, you're just another conservative complaining about taxes he doesn't ever actually pay.

You know how much I get told I should pay lower taxes, by people who pay almost no ****ing taxes. While I argue the opposite. It kinda pisses me off.

So Mr. Pay for it. I ****ing will, just like I pay for everything else. And I don't need no random jackass on the internet telling me to do something, I already do more of than he probably ever will.

My point is, I am happy to pay taxes. Even when it goes to benefit dip**** Trump supporters in red states. Someones got to educate their kids, Lord knows they couldn't pony up the dough to do it themselves.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Would have to be a specially designed incubator designed to keep the placenta alive. Rather than the fetus itself. Would be my guess.
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Again, you totally miss the point. How do you get the fetus out with minimal stress and possible harm to the woman's body?


How do you get the fetus out of the woman's body? You have offered this as a possible replacement for abortion. I would think in order to make this as a replacement, the substitute procedure would have a similar safety profile to abortion.
 
year2late said:
Again, you totally miss the point. How do you get the fetus out with minimal stress and possible harm to the woman's body?


How do you get the fetus out of the woman's body? You have offered this as a possible replacement for abortion. I would think in order to make this as a replacement, the substitute procedure would have a similar safety profile to abortion.
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I'm sorry in what post did you read that I claimed to have medical knowledge, that could answer that. Are you just trying to look like a dick in a thread where I am asking if it's possible, and why don't we fund it. Or is that entirely on accident while you get someone with no medical knowledge to admit to you after he's already blanketly stated the fact that, he has no knowledge of medicine.

Is that the little victory you're going for, mr been in the medical field for 40 years.

Which tells me a few things, you haven't gone to medical school since i've been born, if you went at all. You could be a nurse, or an x ray technician. Or guffaw a hospital admin.

And even if you were a doctor, 40 years would count against you. It would make you out of date with new procedures. And know amount of continuing education requirements you have to fulfill will keep you up to date on everything.

So maybe, you're lack of imagination, know how, and technical ability isn't prevalent in the medical profession. And I doubt, you're a specialist in reproduction either. You have certainly offered nothing but accusations, info anyone could get off a pamphlet about pro choice options, and the expectation that I will somehow know how to perform a complicated surgery.

So let me put it this way, unless the next post you have is something constructive for this conversation, I'm going to ignore you.

Good talk.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I'm sorry in what post did you read that I claimed to have medical knowledge, that could answer that. Are you just trying to look like a dick in a thread where I am asking if it's possible, and why don't we fund it. Or is that entirely on accident while you get someone with no medical knowledge to admit to you after he's already blanketly stated the fact that, he has no knowledge of medicine.

Is that the little victory you're going for, mr been in the medical field for 40 years.

Which tells me a few things, you haven't gone to medical school since i've been born, if you went at all. You could be a nurse, or an x ray technician. Or guffaw a hospital admin.

And even if you were a doctor, 40 years would count against you. It would make you out of date with new procedures. And know amount of continuing education requirements you have to fulfill will keep you up to date on everything.

So maybe, you're lack of imagination, know how, and technical ability isn't prevalent in the medical profession. And I doubt, you're a specialist in reproduction either. You have certainly offered nothing but accusations, info anyone could get off a pamphlet about pro choice options, and the expectation that I will somehow know how to perform a complicated surgery.

So let me put it this way, unless the next post you have is something constructive for this conversation, I'm going to ignore you.

Good talk.
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Do you know what a C-section is?

Do you know what fully dilating a cervix is?

I would assume so.

Does a C-section have risks? Does anesthesia have risks?

Do you think most women would think cutting her body open is an acceptable replacement for abortion?

The other way to access and fully visualize the fetus is to FULLY dilate the cervix and stick instruments up there to access the fetus/placenta to begin removal process, Do you think that might require anesthesia or sedation? Does it sound like an acceptable replacement for a woman who has an unwanted pregnancy?

These are not difficult concepts.

The only way I see your construct viable is if you have a pregnant woman who desperately wants to have her own baby. Due to medical reasons she is unable to maintain the pregnancy and accepts the procedural /anesthesia risks and has someone who is willing to assume risks on the other side .
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I know a couple that got turned down, they were perfectly fine. Both employed, homeowners. Above the income requirements. No criminal records. Together for 10 years. Gay.

I get that not every area is the same, but I'm from the south. Lots of people there that want to adopt, but don't qualify. All I'm saying. There is what they tell you, and what you've seen.

I've seen discrimination. Maybe you haven't. You might be from a nice part of the country, with nicer people.
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That is too bad. But that discrimination is not everywhere and you may not know why they were denied. Now, even single people can adopt. At least in most places
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I'm sorry in what post did you read that I claimed to have medical knowledge, that could answer that. Are you just trying to look like a dick in a thread where I am asking if it's possible, and why don't we fund it.
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It's not possible now and we cant see the future. You keep insisting that when we say we dont know, that we're raining on your parade

And why should we fund it? There's no shortage of humans. Having a kid is a choice. Or not. Nobody is 'entitled' to having a kid...there are no laws stopping reproduction but certainly we shouldnt have to pay for or subsidize people having kids. If someone chooses to take one of the different fertility or in vitro or surrogacy options available, that's cool...but paying for those things is up to them.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I used whiny correctly, you're just another conservative complaining about taxes he doesn't ever actually pay.

You know how much I get told I should pay lower taxes, by people who pay almost no ****ing taxes. While I argue the opposite. It kinda pisses me off.

So Mr. Pay for it. I ****ing will, just like I pay for everything else. And I don't need no random jackass on the internet telling me to do something, I already do more of than he probably ever will.

My point is, I am happy to pay taxes. Even when it goes to benefit dip**** Trump supporters in red states. Someones got to educate their kids, Lord knows they couldn't pony up the dough to do it themselves.
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Of course not, you have jackass covered.


For many years I enjoyed the cap on SE taxes... never voted for it but I sure was not gonna send extra cash. Income tax is a joke if you have your own business, own a home...
Still, all my buddies did nothing but complain. It's the nature of people. Always unhappy, always jealous at anyone's good fortune.

and for you edification,

whin·y
/ˈ(h)wīnē/Submit
adjective
adjective: whiny; adjective: whiney; comparative adjective: whinier; superlative adjective: whiniest
having a drawn-out, high-pitched, unpleasant sound.
"he speaks in a whiny, childish voice"
having a complaining tone.
"without wanting to sound whiny, it's quite hard work"

and like I said, you pay for it.

Not because I am a selfish, hypocritical pretend Christian,

It's just not an idea I find value in.

(although, I do appreciate the approach and methodology if there were a need)
 
ThoughtEx. said:
Ok I accept whole heartedly not yet. But, is it such a bad idea to start looking at?
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I don't see a need for it. Maybe if the human race was in danger of extinction, but as it is, there are too many people on the planet.
 
year2late said:
Again, you totally miss the point. How do you get the fetus out with minimal stress and possible harm to the woman's body?


How do you get the fetus out of the woman's body? You have offered this as a possible replacement for abortion. I would think in order to make this as a replacement, the substitute procedure would have a similar safety profile to abortion.
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And who pays for it? That box with a quarter in it at the Piggly Wiggly?
 
ThoughtEx. said:
I'm hearing a lot of I can't, when i want to be hearing I can...

The 100,000 already born kids doesn't stop new pregnancies from happening. And if you want to discuss ways to help those 100,000 I am down for that. 100%

yeah it will cost money, but think about how much money pro lifers would be willing to part with to get this alternative, it's like the biggest issue driving them to the side of whackadooldle Trump. Give them a positive program they can shove down peoples throats instead of a negative and watch what happens.

This doesn't take adoption off the table, merely gives those who are going to get an abortion another option. It's not a quid pro quo thing, you just make it available to.

I don't know if it's medically possible, that's why I asked. But it could be, science is good at that kind of **** when we aim our scientists that way.

Gestationally, it would happen very early I would imagine. I am no expert.
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How in the world do you propose to put a 12 week developed fetus into a non-pregnant woman?
 
Sheep have been grown in artificial wombs. It's just a matter of time.
 
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