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Shawn Carney/40 Days for Life to appear on "Huckabee" Saturday

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Lursa said:
I would like to see a similar book and campaign for the more than 100,000 children in America that are waiting to be adopted and to find families.
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They don't count, Lursa. They are born.
 
Lursa said:
I would like to see a similar book and campaign for the more than 100,000 children in America that are waiting to be adopted and to find families.

How can we offer hope to children awaiting adoption? Compassion for those kids living in homeless limbo?
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Perhaps you are unaware that 40 Days for Life people do adopt babies.

Here is part of an e-mail from Shawn Carney:

"How many unwanted children have you adopted?"

This is a common--and ridiculous--comment we sometimes hear at a vigil. It assumes that children get their human dignity based on how much they are wanted.

The reality is that 40 Days for Life campaigns have volunteers who are willing to adopt a baby in need of a loving family. Some already have!

The e-mail goes on to describe one member of 40 Days for Life who with his wife has made plans to adopt the baby of a young mother who walked out of a clinic without having an abortion this week. It also discusses what they are doing for her otherwise, including providing mattresses and other material support for the mother and the children she already has.
 
nota bene said:
Perhaps you are unaware that 40 Days for Life people do adopt babies.

Here is part of an e-mail from Shawn Carney:

"How many unwanted children have you adopted?"

This is a common--and ridiculous--comment we sometimes hear at a vigil. It assumes that children get their human dignity based on how much they are wanted.

The reality is that 40 Days for Life campaigns have volunteers who are willing to adopt a baby in need of a loving family. Some already have!

The e-mail goes on to describe one member of 40 Days for Life who with his wife has made plans to adopt the baby of a young mother who walked out of a clinic without having an abortion this week. It also discusses what they are doing for her otherwise, including providing mattresses and other material support for the mother and the children she already has.
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That's fine. Does that organization tell people that while they are demanding more unaffordable and unwanted babies be born...and suggesting adoption as one solution to abortion...more than 100,00 are already awaiting adoption?

Why arent those people, those 'volunteers' already adopting the ones waiting?

THe kids waiting for adoption probably at least have mattresses and food in foster care...but they dont have families, homes.
 
Preach to somebody else, Lursa. But I'm curious--is it simply not possible to "allow" one pro-life thread in this forum? Is it possible to simply allow someone like me to post something like this and simply just scroll on past, or is replying with criticism an imperative?

Silly question, I know, in this pro-choice echo chamber.

As for your questions, have you thought about checking out 40 Days for Life for yourself and finding out what it's about?
 
nota bene said:
Preach to somebody else, Lursa. But I'm curious--is it simply not possible to "allow" one pro-life thread in this forum? Is it possible to simply allow someone like me to post something like this and simply just scroll on past, or is replying with criticism an imperative?

Silly question, I know, in this pro-choice echo chamber.

As for your questions, have you thought about checking out 40 Days for Life for yourself and finding out what it's about?
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My initial post was not critical...it was parallel. But if you question my posts, I bring up the obvious hypocrisy...and actual harm that pro-life supporters are doing.

Pro-life does not hold the moral High Ground that it attempts to promote...there are also many negatives to that singular focus.
 
That's just what I thought, Lursa, but thanks for responding anyway. Enjoy your echo chamber. :2wave:
 
nota bene said:
That's just what I thought, Lursa, but thanks for responding anyway. Enjoy your echo chamber. :2wave:
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I do and will respond...because of course there are 2 sides of the issue.

IMO going to random women...strangers...and trying to convince them to have babies just because YOU believe they should have them is morally wrong. It discounts their own intellects, their own understanding of their lives…like they're children…and encourages the birth of even more kids which are then often added to that huge adoption pool.

It's presumptuous to assume that strangers know what's best for another woman's life, and pure arrogance to prioritize the birth of a baby over her decisions and her life. That is what these people are doing, clothed in the guise of 'preserving innocent life and compassion.'

It's often neither of those for the woman OR the baby. And the woman is just as innocent as the unborn, she's done no wrong.
 
nota bene said:
Preach to somebody else, Lursa. But I'm curious--is it simply not possible to "allow" one pro-life thread in this forum? Is it possible to simply allow someone like me to post something like this and simply just scroll on past, or is replying with criticism an imperative?
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BTW, this is a discussion forum. You could have just discussed your post...and mine...but you chose not to.

If you just wanted to make a public service announcement, this isnt the correct place.
 
nota bene said:
Preach to somebody else, Lursa. But I'm curious--is it simply not possible to "allow" one pro-life thread in this forum? Is it possible to simply allow someone like me to post something like this and simply just scroll on past, or is replying with criticism an imperative?

Silly question, I know, in this pro-choice echo chamber.

As for your questions, have you thought about checking out 40 Days for Life for yourself and finding out what it's about?
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an echo chamber appears to be something you are seeking
not having to be confronted with a different perspective
in a debate forum of all places
by a moderator who should understand the purpose and activities of a debate site
 
nota bene said:
Preach to somebody else, Lursa. But I'm curious--is it simply not possible to "allow" one pro-life thread in this forum? Is it possible to simply allow someone like me to post something like this and simply just scroll on past, or is replying with criticism an imperative?

Silly question, I know, in this pro-choice echo chamber.

As for your questions, have you thought about checking out 40 Days for Life for yourself and finding out what it's about?
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I often wonder about this myself Nota, but it's one of those things that boils down to fundamental right and wrong.

Your fundamentals say abortion is wrong. A conceived life is a life. It's got a soul, if not a brain or the capacity for thought.

And their fundamentals say that a person has the right to choose what happens to their body, or if they want to dedicate their life to children.

Objectively, both opinions are valid. But only one side calls the other side a murderer. I've never seen you do such a thing, butt I think you get a lot of the backlash from the people who do. When pro choicers see another anti abortion thread, they are coming in assuming that they are going to be called one of the worst things you can call someone in society.

And it's equally as impossible to start a pro choice thread without the same thing happening to them.

Me, I want everyone who gets pregnant to have that baby, love that baby, and have a great life. Which is why I promote sex education, and free birth control, and I even want male birth control super funded. Make a lot more sense if males took the pill.

I also advocate for social programs for single mothers, and food stamps and social assistance.

I want parenthood to not be a huge fear of young people, and I want people to have more control of when they have kids. I think every high school should also be a daycare for working mothers, and every student has to have four years of child care, working that daycare under a teachers supervision.

I want to end abortion. But not by force, I want to make it to where it's not even necessary.

For most of my life, I wished my mother had gotten an abortion. It wasn't til I had children of my own that my opinion on that matter changed. For kids like me, I have to support pro choice. Maybe my mother wouldn't have married a whacko from the Aryan Brotherhood, if she wasn't saddled with two mouths to feed. Maybe she would have gone to college, escaped our toxic family.

Maybe she would be alive today.
 
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For most of my life, I wished my mother had gotten an abortion. It wasn't til I had children of my own that my opinion on that matter changed.
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I am so sorry you ever felt that way during your life. You are not the only one on this sub-forum that has expressed that same thing and I would think that is a terribly painful way to grow up. And I'm sorry about your mother.
 
Carney and his rent a mob are currently embroiled in a losing battle with Scotland's First Minister. She's trouncing them and they don't like it.
 
I meant to include his rant. He appears to believe Braveheart was historical!

 
Lursa said:
I do and will respond...because of course there are 2 sides of the issue.

IMO going to random women...strangers...and trying to convince them to have babies just because YOU believe they should have them is morally wrong. It discounts their own intellects, their own understanding of their lives…like they're children…and encourages the birth of even more kids which are then often added to that huge adoption pool.

It's presumptuous to assume that strangers know what's best for another woman's life, and pure arrogance to prioritize the birth of a baby over her decisions and her life. That is what these people are doing, clothed in the guise of 'preserving innocent life and compassion.'

It's often neither of those for the woman OR the baby. And the woman is just as innocent as the unborn, she's done no wrong.
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Yes, and one reason it's morally wrong to go to try to talk strangers into continuing their pregnancies, e.g., the protestors at abortion clinics, is that, being a stranger, you don't know what her situation is.

She could have an ectopic pregnancy. She could need another ultrasound cheaply to confirm that her fetus is dead so she can go have it removed at a hospital. She could be a rape victim who was physically injured with a knife, so her pregnancy might threaten her with very serious injury.

As a stranger, you could terrify one of these women. A recent article about the stupid Texas Right to Life protesters at clinics in Scotland testifies to that.


She might also be going to PP not for an abortion, but a cheap confirmation of pregnancy by a better test than a home pregnancy test. Why would you arrogantly bully such a person?
 
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choiceone said:
Yes, and one reason it's morally wrong to go to try to talk strangers into continuing their pregnancies, e.g., the protestors at abortion clinics, is that, being a stranger, you don't know what her situation is.

She could have an ectopic pregnancy. She could need another ultrasound cheaply to confirm that her fetus is dead so she can go have it removed at a hospital. She could be a rape victim who was physically injured with a knife, so her pregnancy might threaten her with very serious injury.

As a stranger, you could terrify one of these women. A recent article about the stupid Texas Right to Life protesters at clinics in Scotland testifies to that.


She might also be going to PP not for an abortion, but a cheap confirmation of pregnancy by a better test than a home pregnancy test. Why would you arrogantly bully such a person?
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And it completely minimizes the woman as an individual...those people want to deny her right to consent to what happens to her own life and future. They pray for God to intercede and stop her.

They want to override her will...believing they know better than she does what will work best in her life...and place the unborn's "interests" ahead of hers. Such arrogance, believing they know her circumstances better than she does and basically just saying..."man up and deal with it for 9 months"...with no regard for her as an individual.

Denying a person's right to consent is dehumanizing.
 
choiceone said:
Yes, and one reason it's morally wrong to go to try to talk strangers into continuing their pregnancies, e.g., the protestors at abortion clinics, is that, being a stranger, you don't know what her situation is.

She could have an ectopic pregnancy. She could need another ultrasound cheaply to confirm that her fetus is dead so she can go have it removed at a hospital. She could be a rape victim who was physically injured with a knife, so her pregnancy might threaten her with very serious injury.

As a stranger, you could terrify one of these women. A recent article about the stupid Texas Right to Life protesters at clinics in Scotland testifies to that.


She might also be going to PP not for an abortion, but a cheap confirmation of pregnancy by a better test than a home pregnancy test. Why would you arrogantly bully such a person?
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They are now going after children’s hospitals with the same crap.
 
nota bene said:
....... But I'm curious--is it simply not possible to "allow" one pro-life thread in this forum? Is it possible to simply allow someone like me to post something like this and simply just scroll on past, or is replying with criticism an imperative?
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Post away. There is nothing basically wrong with talking someone out of getting abortion. What's wrong is posting your activity as if it solved the entire issue. 40 Days of ostentatious prayer outside clinics telling women you are praying for their baby is not ever going to reduce abortions. You have noted that there is a big celebration among you pray-ers. One woman dissuaded from abortion after 40 days of effort have ended having dissuaded only one woman.

Everybody is put off by the sanctimoniousness and uselessness of 40 days. It is totally ineffective in reducing the number of abortions in the US. 40 days is a feel good program to convince the participants that they are, even after taking the right to privacy away from American women, good and wholesome people. 40 Days for the benefit of the pray-ers not for the pregnant women.

For those of you who actually do want to reduce abortion not just punish women for aborting or pray over women for 40 days do something useful, help fund a project to institute realistic sex ed in schools now teaching abstinence only. Here's another idea set up clinics that give poor women free access to the really effective contraceptives women control.

Telling people or praying over them implying that they are sinning against God's wishes really isn't a very effective way of dealing with any issue.
 
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