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Abortion and Women's Rights

@Trolling Posts... There are more important things to do than to than to respond to posts filled with lies...

He keeps asking you questions relevant to the discussion and you keep attempting to insult us. That's not working...as your opinion is no longer valued, at least not by me.

However you could discuss your own proposal instead of attacking...he is not familiar with it like I am. You just know that you can no longer defend it and so instead of admitting it, you attack us.

I would still like to see the answers to his questions, moving discussion forward.
 
Sorry, I dont lie. But hey, prove I did. Show the comment where he 'bullied' you.

He can't. He's too much of a self-congratulatory coward to ever back up his claims.

He's quite good, however, at embarrassing himself by creating call-out posts where he gets demolished.
 
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No person is allowed to use the bodily resources of another for life support. One cannot be compelled to donate blood or bone marrow, even when that person is the only known compatible donor and the potential recipient will die without it. That was determined in McFall vs Shimp. If a born person cannot be forced to provide bodily resources to another born person, then s/he cannot be forced to provide them to an unborn person, should the unborn ever be declared persons. (Unlikely to happen in my country)

Good to hear that. Then I don't have to share my bodily efforts to earn a living with anyone else. No obligation to feed, clothe, or shelter anyone else. Utopia.
 
Good to hear that. Then I don't have to share my bodily efforts to earn a living with anyone else. No obligation to feed, clothe, or shelter anyone else. Utopia.

Off topic. Will not be responded to.
 
Abortion has been 'settled' for years, but constantly in danger throughout that period of being restricted or altogether outlawed.
And what has this to do anyway with how the pro-choice argument is framed?
 
Arguments for keeping abortion safe and legal are usually framed in terms of 'women's rights'.

I think this is a huge tactical mistake. First, it inaccurately implies abortion as something primarily women support and primarily men oppose. In fact, survey research has shown that men and women approve of legal abortion in roughly equal numbers.

Most of all, it's a distraction because it fails to rebut the pro-life argument, which is that fetuses and embryos are 'persons' from the moment of conception deserving of all the rights and privileges normally associated with 'personhood'.

Imagine for a moment that the pro-life argument is correct and that there is essentially no difference between a six-week old embryo and a six-month old baby. No one would speak of a 'woman's right' to kill her six-month old baby, right? But the fact is that there is NO agreement as to when fetuses or embryos become persons, in spite of the pro-life movement's insistence that this happens at the moment of conception.

It's precisely this lack of agreement that speaks to obvious solution: let the individual decide, in accordance with her own conscience, faith, and morals. But just a simple insistence on 'women's rights' isn't very effective, since there are NO absolute rights or freedoms, of ANY kind.


I agree framing the issue as women's rights is a mistake. It is not a result of women declaring rights over and above anything or anybody. It's a corruption and shortened form of the statement that women are right to fight for legalizing abortions. It has been, as you noticed, an unfortunate phrase implying something that was never intended.
 
Abortion has been 'settled' for years, but constantly in danger throughout that period of being restricted or altogether outlawed.
And what has this to do anyway with how the pro-choice argument is framed?

There is almost no way to counter the anti-abortion movement's propaganda other than court rulings. People that use hysterical thinking and terms to justify a position are never going to believe factual, legal or ever scientific evidence against their hysteria. The only recourse for protecting legal abortion is the court.
 
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