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Abortion and Women's Rights

SDET said:
A woman could evict the unborn child from her womb at 8 months. The unborn child could likely live. Are doctors required to kill the child at 8 months of gestation if he/she is medically viable after removal from the woman's womb? Is there a different response to such a question in the USA vs Canada?
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There are only 3 clinics and 4 clinic doctors in the US who will perform abortions past 24 weeks ( and those abortions are because there is an extreme medical reason. )

Any abortion past 24 weeks ( the limit of viabliblity/ 6 months ) is because of a medical reason and is not elective.

From a 2003 Fox News article:
June 17, 2003
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Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation),
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https://www.foxnews.com/story/fast-facts-u-s-abortion-statistics

Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics | Fox News

The stats since then have changed.
By 2012 the numbers of abortion were less than 1.2 million.
In 2014 the CDC reported less than I million.

Fewer than I.3 percent of legal abortions took place between 21 weeks gestation and 24 weeks gestation.

Some for maternal health , more for fetal health since fetal abnormalies usually do not show up until the 18-20 gestational week ultrasound. That only gives the parents with input from the doctor and tests to decide if they want to terminate the pregnancy since viabily usually occurs between 22 and 24 weeks.

In 2003 only about 100 abortions occur after 24 weeks gestation.
 
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minnie616 said:
There are only 3 clinics and 4 clinic doctors in the US who will perform abortions past 24 weeks ( and those abortions are because there is an extreme medical reason. )

Any abortion past 24 weeks ( the limit of viabliblity/ 6 months ) is because of a medical reason and is not elective.

From a 2003 Fox News article:


https://www.foxnews.com/story/fast-facts-u-s-abortion-statistics

Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics | Fox News

The stats since then have changed.
By 2012 the numbers of abortion were less than 1.2 million.
In 2014 the CDC reported less than I million.

Fewer than I.3 percent of legal abortions took place between 21 weeks gestation and 24 weeks gestation.

Some for maternal health , more for fetal health since fetal abnormalies usually do not show up until the 18-20 gestational week ultrasound. That only gives the parents with input from the doctor and tests to decide if they want to terminate the pregnancy since viabily usually occurs between 22 and 24 weeks.

In 2003 only about 100 abortions occur after 24 weeks gestation.
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Kudos to you for answering the question instead of getting all pissed off like some people.
 
SDET said:
Kudos to you for answering the question instead of getting all pissed off like some people.
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Dont get mad...I answered your question. No such late term elective abortions take place.

If you wanted substantiation, all you had to do is ask...Minnie has posted that many times.

Instead, you invented numbers and lumbered on....

And why wouldnt any humane person not be pissed when someone implies it's just fine to create a useless law that would only cause pain to families in the direst, saddest situation, who would still have to answer to the govt intruding on their grief to 'verify' their legitimate need?
 
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SDET said:
Kudos to you for answering the question instead of getting all pissed off like some people.
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She did not "answer your question". She corrected your blatantly dishonest information.
 
year2late said:
She did not "answer your question". She corrected your blatantly dishonest information.
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I regret that your English teacher didn't teach you that "?" at the end of a sentence means that a question, not information is being communicated. Reading is fundamental.
 
SDET said:
I regret that your English teacher didn't teach you that "?" at the end of a sentence means that a question, not information is being communicated. Reading is fundamental.
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I regret that you were not taught how to tell the truth.


Now where are all these women aborting healthy fetuses at 8 months gestation???
 
Lursa said:
Dont get mad...I answered your question. No such late term elective abortions take place.

If you wanted substantiation, all you had to do is ask...Minnie has posted that many times.

Instead, you invented numbers and lumbered on....

And why wouldnt any humane person not be pissed when someone implies it's just fine to create a useless law that would only cause pain to families in the direst, saddest situation, who would still have to answer to the govt intruding on their grief to 'verify' their legitimate need?
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Unfortunately, we live in an age of legal gamesmanship. Some people want abortion on demand with no questions asked. Are you trying to tell me even in Canada, there's not that one nutcase that wanted to abort a baby at eight months? As someone who works with insuring things that have never yet happened, it's necessary to consider contingencies.
 
SDET said:
Unfortunately, we live in an age of legal gamesmanship. Some people want abortion on demand with no questions asked. Are you trying to tell me even in Canada, there's not that one nutcase that wanted to abort a baby at eight months? As someone who works with insuring things that have never yet happened, it's necessary to consider contingencies.
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What have you personally done,what are you currently doing, and what do you plan to do in the future for the unborn?
 
SDET said:
Unfortunately, we live in an age of legal gamesmanship. Some people want abortion on demand with no questions asked. Are you trying to tell me even in Canada, there's not that one nutcase that wanted to abort a baby at eight months? As someone who works with insuring things that have never yet happened, it's necessary to consider contingencies.
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You are welcome to present us with one.

I am curious, are you pro gun control?

Transfer this "one nutcase" to the gun control argument.
 
Logician Man said:
What have you personally done,what are you currently doing, and what do you plan to do in the future for the unborn?
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Back in the day, I helped picket abortion clinics. Personally, I got a vasectomy so that I'm not responsible for any abortions. Does anyone here find it cringeworthy that many women in Cuba think of abortion almost like a hair cut? I hope that never happens here in the US.
 
year2late said:
You are welcome to present us with one.

I am curious, are you pro gun control?

Transfer this "one nutcase" to the gun control argument.
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Gun ownership by honest citizens saves lives.
 
SDET said:
Gun ownership by honest citizens saves lives.
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And yet, by your "one nut" theory...the rare exception should make the rule for the rest.
 
SDET said:
Unfortunately, we live in an age of legal gamesmanship. Some people want abortion on demand with no questions asked. Are you trying to tell me even in Canada, there's not that one nutcase that wanted to abort a baby at eight months? As someone who works with insuring things that have never yet happened, it's necessary to consider contingencies.
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Doctors wont do elective abortions that late here. Doesn't matter how many women want them. (and I doubt very many do) There was one woman in the mid 90's who shot herself up the vagina at 8 months to try to abort. She was mentally ill.
 
SDET said:
Back in the day, I helped picket abortion clinics. Personally, I got a vasectomy so that I'm not responsible for any abortions. Does anyone here find it cringeworthy that many women in Cuba think of abortion almost like a hair cut? I hope that never happens here in the US.
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Why would it matter to me if women think that way?
 
SDET said:
Unfortunately, we live in an age of legal gamesmanship. Some people want abortion on demand with no questions asked. Are you trying to tell me even in Canada, there's not that one nutcase that wanted to abort a baby at eight months? As someone who works with insuring things that have never yet happened, it's necessary to consider contingencies.
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So you completely disregarded the pain of these families, who would be impacted 99.999999% of the time, and instead prioritize your 'guesswork' which has zero foundation?

And why wouldnt any humane person not be pissed when someone implies it's just fine to create a useless law that would only cause pain to families in the direst, saddest situation, who would still have to answer to the govt intruding on their grief to 'verify' their legitimate need?
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You would support more govt bloat and interference for a law that would harm these families, yet 'maybe' save one late term fetus? Because that law would mean that every family making the terrible painful choice to abort a baby to save the mother or with severe birth defects would have to go thru a legal process ON TOP of the horrific discussions with their family doctor.

This is what you find a 'better' solution? ^^ Just a yes or no answer, please.



Definitely a day to check out my signature for reference. :roll:




Cavalcade of conservative character and comprehension:
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Doctors wont do elective abortions that late here. Doesn't matter how many women want them. (and I doubt very many do) There was one woman in the mid 90's who shot herself up the vagina at 8 months to try to abort. She was mentally ill.
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Exactly, yet in this sub-forum, conservative after conservative wants MORE bloated laws and govt interference for a law that isnt necessary. :doh










Cavalcade of conservative character and comprehension:
 
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SDET said:
Gun ownership by honest citizens saves lives.
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That doesnt really answer the question.

Abortion in general is better for society. There are no negative effects on society from abortion.

So your answer above is really more of a denial than an answer.






Cavalcade of conservative character and comprehension:
 
I love it - another abortion thread started by a guy who will never get pregnant but has all the answers. :roll:
 
Bucky said:
My main issue with abortion is the reasoning.

If a woman after 6-8 months pregnant wanted an abortion, she should be able to justify her decision. Should a woman, for example, justify her decision to abort by saying the "thing" inside her womb no longer has permission to be there anymore.

Are you saying a woman has the ability to revoke access to the fetus to stay in the womb because the fetus does not have permission to stay there?
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A woman should be able to abort a fetus at 9 months just for ****s and giggles, if she wants.
 
jghiretire said:
I love it - another abortion thread started by a guy who will never get pregnant but has all the answers. :roll:
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Women need to justify their decision to the man, and potentially a committee of men, before having an abortion.

At least morally... somebody perhaps legally.
 
According to me women should have right to abort their pregnancy if they are not interested to have a child yet. It must be their decision whether they are able to handle the responsibility of a child or not.
 
jamesrodom said:
Arguments for keeping abortion safe and legal are usually framed in terms of 'women's rights'.

I think this is a huge tactical mistake.
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Well, you're wrong because abortion is a settled issue.

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Bodhisattva said:
Women need to justify their decision to the man, and potentially a committee of men, before having an abortion.

At least morally... somebody perhaps legally.
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Nope. No one is required to "Justify" what they do with their own Body to ANYONE.
 
tecoyah said:
Nope. No one is required to "Justify" what they do with their own Body to ANYONE.
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I totally agree except if a woman is having a man's baby...
 
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