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“Gosnell: The Movie”

I am not arguing it wasn't covered. I am arguing it wasn't given the time and major coverage it deserved for political reasons.

That's your opinion. It got plenty of coverage...period. There was plenty of coverage for a person to form an informed opinion or develop an activist position.

And dont lie, this is what you posted:

Explain then why the media buried the gosnell story despite him being one of the most prolific seriel killers?
 
Perhaps to change hearts and minds. Abortion has been glamorized for decades, Seeing the ugly truth could do much good.

Ugh, that's a blatant lie. Nobody likes or promotes abortion.

And Gosnell's crimes were not normal abortions, that's why they were crimes.

You just *like* to USE his example because it's inflammatory and outrageous because the reality of abortion is almost 100% the opposite of that and wont be 'upsetting' to people and falsely change their views.
 
Because it's the uglier side of abortion that many do not see or are unaware. IMO, it goes against the Hippocratic oath for a doctor to perform an abortion out simple of convenience. He or she is not only taking chances with the patient's well-being but also taking a life.

Parents killing their kids is a very ugly side of parenting...when are we stopping people from reproducing?

Oh wait...that's not the way parenting usually goes!

And you know full well that elective late term abortions in the US are virtually zero. Crimes are outliers and in general cannot be prevented.
 
Because it's the uglier side of abortion that many do not see or are unaware. IMO, it goes against the Hippocratic oath for a doctor to perform an abortion out simple of convenience. He or she is not only taking chances with the patient's well-being but also taking a life.

We've gone over this before: there are many lists out there that describe why women have abortions. "Convience" isnt listed, unless you have a link to one with data behind it?

Again, if it's not the dishonesty of flaunting the inflammatory crimes of Gosnell, it's lying about why women have abortions. You are unable to conduct this debate without lying...does your position have no actual honest foundation at all?
 
A new film is telling the details of a horror so unspeakable, it shocked federal investigators. It’s a story that needs to be told.

Sometimes, a movie is not about entertainment. Sometimes, it’s about something much more important. A film can expose grave evils, and even inspire us to fight those evils. I think “Gosnell: Trial of America’s Biggest Serial Killer,” is just such a film.

Directed by Nick Searcy, the movie dramatizes the horrific, real-life account of Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the west Philadelphia abortionist whose clinic was described in a 2011 Grand Jury report as a “house of horrors.” During a drug raid there, authorities discovered unsanitary conditions, remnants of 45 aborted fetuses in bags inside freezers, rows of jars containing fetal feet, and untrained staff administering medications, which resulted in the death of at least one patient.




BreakPoint: ?Gosnell: The Movie" - Break Point

Glad this criminal is in jail and he has been by prolife people and prochoice people alike because he doesn't represent either side :shrug:
 
Because it's the uglier side of abortion that many do not see or are unaware. IMO, it goes against the Hippocratic oath for a doctor to perform an abortion out simple of convenience. He or she is not only taking chances with the patient's well-being but also taking a life.

We've gone over this before: there are many lists out there that describe why women have abortions. "Convience" isnt listed, unless you have a link to one with data behind it?

Again, if it's not the dishonesty of flaunting the inflammatory crimes of Gosnell, it's lying about why women have abortions. You are unable to conduct this debate without lying...does your position have no actual honest foundation at all?

Speaking of dishonesty especially in a pubic forum the IRCRC ( Illinois Religious Coaliation of Reproductive Choice ) does address that:



DISHONESTY IN THE PUBLIC FORUM


the cruel fallacy that adoption is an easy solution to unwanted pregnancy – for any of the parties involved

minimization of maternal burden and risk in pregnancy – loss of wages, shortness of breath and endurance, pain, reduction of motility, vulnerability to humiliation, domestic violence and murder

overstating the maternal risk of abortion (childbirth carries 11 times the maternal mortality of abortion)

the incoherence of great concern for fetal pain at 20 weeks yet no concern for fetal pain in labor and childbirth

the Christian extremist terrorism of stalking, harassment, threats and murder of abortion providers

the corruption of democracy by legislators’ misuse of public health law and policy that worsens public health and wastes resources in order to pander to voters

the reproductive abuse by religious and nationalist authorities to shame and coerce childbearing for ulterior demographic motives

the historic reproductive abuse by physicians and legislators in legal and illegal involuntary sterilization of “undesirable” elements of population

the historic persecution of midwives by the American Medical Association

the lies, broken promises, and coercive adoptions in government subsidized Crisis Pregnancy Centers

<snip>

distortion of scripture to reinforce subjugation of women and perpetuate hierarchies of gender, race, class, orientation, religion and other aspects of wrongful privilege
 
The left is silent on Gosnell, not because they support or endorse what he did but because the policies they support enable someone like this monster to commit and shield his crimes.

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why post such a blatant retarded lie that honest people left right and center will just mock and laugh at
 
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why post such a blatant retarded lie that honest people left right and center will just mock and laugh at

Saying gosnel got a lot of media coverage is like saying a black girl who was killed got a lot of media coverage. In comparison to what? The white girl that was killed?

Gosnel should have been front page news for months. It should have been topic #1 on every show but yet it wasn't....
 
Saying gosnel got a lot of media coverage is like saying a black girl who was killed got a lot of media coverage. In comparison to what? The white girl that was killed?

Gosnel should have been front page news for months. It should have been topic #1 on every show but yet it wasn't....

what part of the nonsensical ranting about your feelings changes your lie? oh thats right . . . none of it:lamo
 
Guess we will see. Regardless, if we can't agree abortion is the taking of a life, where's the humanity?

It is the taking of a life... I don't think that anybody on the planet says otherwise.
 
Guess we will see. Regardless, if we can't agree abortion is the taking of a life, where's the humanity?
people will never agree to that because its factually wrong . .
What about when the fetus is already dead and a person gets an abortion or when the fetus lives after the abortion which is exactly what gosnell got in trouble for?
 
Ugh, that's a blatant lie. Nobody likes or promotes abortion.
I'm a prolifer who's very aware of the problem of confirmation bias. I don't want to bend the truth in order to justify my stance or keep my beliefs intact. Yet it's absolutely true that people are celebrating abortion. A minor example is comedian Michelle Wolf. But a more extreme example is Liz Winstead and her organization Lady Parts Justice League. Anyone can go and listen to the rhetoric in their video and podcast media. It's truly an extreme form of the de-stigmatization goal that orgs like Planned Parenthood promote.
 
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I'm a prolifer who's very aware of the problem of confirmation bias. I don't want to bend the truth in order to justify my stance or keep my beliefs intact. Yet it's absolutely true that people are celebrating abortion. A minor example is comedian Michelle Wolf. But a more extreme example is Liz Winstead and her organization Lady Parts Justice League. Anyone can go and listen to the rhetoric in their video and podcast media. It's truly an extreme form of the de-stigmatization goal that orgs like Planned Parenthood promote.

OK, and there are 2 people I can think of that do so here, so I will concede your point. They are both men.

But it's very uncommon.
 
It is the taking of a life... I don't think that anybody on the planet says otherwise.

Hard to tell from the hardcore supporters. They tend to dehumanize as much as possible to stave off any guilty conscience.
 
Explain then why the media buried the gosnell story despite him being one of the most prolific seriel killers?

Mayne just maybe the pro abortion side does not want to associate a baby in the womb as something of deserving rights.

Actually, Gosnell liked to kill babies, moments after they were born. The left wants no time limits in terms of killing the unborn. Gosnell extrapolated that to outside the womb and the left gave him cover. Fake news is not just about making up lies, but also about burying the truth, so their target audience is unable to draw the correct conclusions. This movie will allow the truth to be known. Abortion will still be legal, but there will be a call for more oversight and regulation.
 
Actually, Gosnell liked to kill babies, moments after they were born. The left wants no time limits in terms of killing the unborn. Gosnell extrapolated that to outside the womb and the left gave him cover. Fake news is not just about making up lies, but also about burying the truth, so their target audience is unable to draw the correct conclusions. This movie will allow the truth to be known. Abortion will still be legal, but there will be a call for more oversight and regulation.

You are correct that Gosnell killed born babies.
He was evil and I believe he was insane.
As for oversight and regulation no new laws are needed.

The laws we have should have been enforced. If they had been enforced Gosnell would have been jailed much sooner. State law allows clinics to have yearly inspections ( more if it is not compliant ) Yet Gosnells clinic was not inspected for 17 years.
 
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Gosnell made up his own rules. That is who we are discussing here.

He is the fruit of your support.

You mean like Robert Dear, Michael Griffin, James Cop etc are the fruit of anti choice support?
 
Hard to tell from the hardcore supporters. They tend to dehumanize as much as possible to stave off any guilty conscience.

By treating the unborn as numbers (as in killed) and as punishment (as in 'she has to pay her consequences!') you are the one dehumanizing...the unborn AND women.

You would value the unborn over women, with rights that superseded those of women...that dehumanizes women.
 
Actually, Gosnell liked to kill babies, moments after they were born. The left wants no time limits in terms of killing the unborn. Gosnell extrapolated that to outside the womb and the left gave him cover. Fake news is not just about making up lies, but also about burying the truth, so their target audience is unable to draw the correct conclusions. This movie will allow the truth to be known. Abortion will still be legal, but there will be a call for more oversight and regulation.

What he did was not abortion. It was murder. There is a difference.

What regulation do you see needed for abortion?
 
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