Allow Kavanaugh to win the Senate

MrWonka said:

There seems to be an impression among Republicans like Mitch McConnell that if they don't confirm Kavanaugh it will spell certain doom in the midterm elections. As if somehow Republican voters will be mad at them for not getting it done. I tend to think it's actually the opposite.

Contrary to some beliefs Evangelical Christians are not huge Trump fans. Many of them hate his guts and would have preferred Bush, Rubio or Cruz. Trumps hardest core base that loves him the most are actually just ****ty racist men. Misogynists that hate feminism. They're actually not even very religious at all. They're straight racist, and many just love Trump because he is so divisive. They see it as a reflection of male dominance. Yes, they really are that ****ty.

But Evangelicals held their nose and voted for him anyway. Why? The supreme court. That was it. Abortion. They say it as the best opportunity in decades to overturn Roe vs Wade, and decided they could stomach Trump as long as they had confidence he would try to do that. My own mother is sadly one of these people. She has said that she hates Trump's guts, but her pro-life stance is literally the only thing that made her vote for him.

If there had not been an immediate Supreme Court pick on the line in the 2016 election I really don't think Trump would have won. I think many white women like my mother would have either not voted at all or even voted for Clinton. Holding Kavanaugh's nomination hostage my cause those same voters to turn out in the midterms and help Republicans keep the Senate.

What's really the best case scenario for Democrats? We get Kavanaugh turned down. Okay great, then what. Trump will still nominate someone else, and even if Republican's lose the Senate McConnell will ram home a vote on the next **** bag before the new Senate takes over. Whoever the next person is he will still be a **** head, he will still be overly conservative and Roe vs Wade will still be in jeopardy.

By allowing Kavanaugh to get confirmed(yes I know he doesn't deserve it), you can hang that around the necks of Republicans and still use it for Democrats advantage in the midterms. But I predict that many otherwise Republican voters will either not show up or potentially even vote Democrat once they are convinced the Supreme Court is in their favor. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if many Evangelical Republicans would be far more willing to take seriously the Russia investigation and even impeachment once they're convinced they've locked in the Supreme Court.

Ultimately, the only way this mess gets fixed for Democrats is to take back sweeping control of both houses of congress and the white house in 2020. Gerrymandering and the poor timing of the Senate will prevent any sweeping take over in the midterms. The best case scenario is 51 Democrat senators and a House that can neuter Trump until 2020. In 2020 the odds of a serious wave allowing Democrats full control of the white house, Senate, and House of Reps are significantly higher. At that point, impeachment of justices, expansion of the Court, or even Constitutional amendments that would remove all of Trump's judges are a possibility.

Convincing Conservative Christians that they've won the court short term may be the best long-term strategy for Democrats.

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MrWonka said:

There seems to be an impression among Republicans like Mitch McConnell that if they don't confirm Kavanaugh it will spell certain doom in the midterm elections. As if somehow Republican voters will be mad at them for not getting it done. I tend to think it's actually the opposite.

Contrary to some beliefs Evangelical Christians are not huge Trump fans. Many of them hate his guts and would have preferred Bush, Rubio or Cruz. Trumps hardest core base that loves him the most are actually just ****ty racist men. Misogynists that hate feminism. They're actually not even very religious at all. They're straight racist, and many just love Trump because he is so divisive. They see it as a reflection of male dominance. Yes, they really are that ****ty.

But Evangelicals held their nose and voted for him anyway. Why? The supreme court. That was it. Abortion. They say it as the best opportunity in decades to overturn Roe vs Wade, and decided they could stomach Trump as long as they had confidence he would try to do that. My own mother is sadly one of these people. She has said that she hates Trump's guts, but her pro-life stance is literally the only thing that made her vote for him.

If there had not been an immediate Supreme Court pick on the line in the 2016 election I really don't think Trump would have won. I think many white women like my mother would have either not voted at all or even voted for Clinton. Holding Kavanaugh's nomination hostage my cause those same voters to turn out in the midterms and help Republicans keep the Senate.

What's really the best case scenario for Democrats? We get Kavanaugh turned down. Okay great, then what. Trump will still nominate someone else, and even if Republican's lose the Senate McConnell will ram home a vote on the next **** bag before the new Senate takes over. Whoever the next person is he will still be a **** head, he will still be overly conservative and Roe vs Wade will still be in jeopardy.

By allowing Kavanaugh to get confirmed(yes I know he doesn't deserve it), you can hang that around the necks of Republicans and still use it for Democrats advantage in the midterms. But I predict that many otherwise Republican voters will either not show up or potentially even vote Democrat once they are convinced the Supreme Court is in their favor. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if many Evangelical Republicans would be far more willing to take seriously the Russia investigation and even impeachment once they're convinced they've locked in the Supreme Court.

Ultimately, the only way this mess gets fixed for Democrats is to take back sweeping control of both houses of congress and the white house in 2020. Gerrymandering and the poor timing of the Senate will prevent any sweeping take over in the midterms. The best case scenario is 51 Democrat senators and a House that can neuter Trump until 2020. In 2020 the odds of a serious wave allowing Democrats full control of the white house, Senate, and House of Reps are significantly higher. At that point, impeachment of justices, expansion of the Court, or even Constitutional amendments that would remove all of Trump's judges are a possibility.

Convincing Conservative Christians that they've won the court short term may be the best long-term strategy for Democrats.

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MrWonka said:

There seems to be an impression among Republicans like Mitch McConnell that if they don't confirm Kavanaugh it will spell certain doom in the midterm elections. As if somehow Republican voters will be mad at them for not getting it done. I tend to think it's actually the opposite.

Contrary to some beliefs Evangelical Christians are not huge Trump fans. Many of them hate his guts and would have preferred Bush, Rubio or Cruz. Trumps hardest core base that loves him the most are actually just ****ty racist men. Misogynists that hate feminism. They're actually not even very religious at all. They're straight racist, and many just love Trump because he is so divisive. They see it as a reflection of male dominance. Yes, they really are that ****ty.

But Evangelicals held their nose and voted for him anyway. Why? The supreme court. That was it. Abortion. They say it as the best opportunity in decades to overturn Roe vs Wade, and decided they could stomach Trump as long as they had confidence he would try to do that. My own mother is sadly one of these people. She has said that she hates Trump's guts, but her pro-life stance is literally the only thing that made her vote for him.

If there had not been an immediate Supreme Court pick on the line in the 2016 election I really don't think Trump would have won. I think many white women like my mother would have either not voted at all or even voted for Clinton. Holding Kavanaugh's nomination hostage my cause those same voters to turn out in the midterms and help Republicans keep the Senate.

What's really the best case scenario for Democrats? We get Kavanaugh turned down. Okay great, then what. Trump will still nominate someone else, and even if Republican's lose the Senate McConnell will ram home a vote on the next **** bag before the new Senate takes over. Whoever the next person is he will still be a **** head, he will still be overly conservative and Roe vs Wade will still be in jeopardy.

By allowing Kavanaugh to get confirmed(yes I know he doesn't deserve it), you can hang that around the necks of Republicans and still use it for Democrats advantage in the midterms. But I predict that many otherwise Republican voters will either not show up or potentially even vote Democrat once they are convinced the Supreme Court is in their favor. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if many Evangelical Republicans would be far more willing to take seriously the Russia investigation and even impeachment once they're convinced they've locked in the Supreme Court.

Ultimately, the only way this mess gets fixed for Democrats is to take back sweeping control of both houses of congress and the white house in 2020. Gerrymandering and the poor timing of the Senate will prevent any sweeping take over in the midterms. The best case scenario is 51 Democrat senators and a House that can neuter Trump until 2020. In 2020 the odds of a serious wave allowing Democrats full control of the white house, Senate, and House of Reps are significantly higher. At that point, impeachment of justices, expansion of the Court, or even Constitutional amendments that would remove all of Trump's judges are a possibility.

Convincing Conservative Christians that they've won the court short term may be the best long-term strategy for Democrats.

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lutherf said:

with all due respect, if the political left in this country actually took the time to try and understand conservatives trump wouldn't be in the white house today.

Face it, the more you think you know the more wrong you are.

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MrWonka said:

There seems to be an impression among Republicans like Mitch McConnell that if they don't confirm Kavanaugh it will spell certain doom in the midterm elections. As if somehow Republican voters will be mad at them for not getting it done. I tend to think it's actually the opposite.

Contrary to some beliefs Evangelical Christians are not huge Trump fans. Many of them hate his guts and would have preferred Bush, Rubio or Cruz. Trumps hardest core base that loves him the most are actually just ****ty racist men. Misogynists that hate feminism. They're actually not even very religious at all. They're straight racist, and many just love Trump because he is so divisive. They see it as a reflection of male dominance. Yes, they really are that ****ty.

But Evangelicals held their nose and voted for him anyway. Why? The supreme court. That was it. Abortion. They say it as the best opportunity in decades to overturn Roe vs Wade, and decided they could stomach Trump as long as they had confidence he would try to do that. My own mother is sadly one of these people. She has said that she hates Trump's guts, but her pro-life stance is literally the only thing that made her vote for him.

If there had not been an immediate Supreme Court pick on the line in the 2016 election I really don't think Trump would have won. I think many white women like my mother would have either not voted at all or even voted for Clinton. Holding Kavanaugh's nomination hostage my cause those same voters to turn out in the midterms and help Republicans keep the Senate.

What's really the best case scenario for Democrats? We get Kavanaugh turned down. Okay great, then what. Trump will still nominate someone else, and even if Republican's lose the Senate McConnell will ram home a vote on the next **** bag before the new Senate takes over. Whoever the next person is he will still be a **** head, he will still be overly conservative and Roe vs Wade will still be in jeopardy.

By allowing Kavanaugh to get confirmed(yes I know he doesn't deserve it), you can hang that around the necks of Republicans and still use it for Democrats advantage in the midterms. But I predict that many otherwise Republican voters will either not show up or potentially even vote Democrat once they are convinced the Supreme Court is in their favor. In fact, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if many Evangelical Republicans would be far more willing to take seriously the Russia investigation and even impeachment once they're convinced they've locked in the Supreme Court.

Ultimately, the only way this mess gets fixed for Democrats is to take back sweeping control of both houses of congress and the white house in 2020. Gerrymandering and the poor timing of the Senate will prevent any sweeping take over in the midterms. The best case scenario is 51 Democrat senators and a House that can neuter Trump until 2020. In 2020 the odds of a serious wave allowing Democrats full control of the white house, Senate, and House of Reps are significantly higher. At that point, impeachment of justices, expansion of the Court, or even Constitutional amendments that would remove all of Trump's judges are a possibility.

Convincing Conservative Christians that they've won the court short term may be the best long-term strategy for Democrats.

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Lutherf said:

With all due respect, if the political left in this country actually took the time to try and understand Conservatives Trump wouldn't be in the White House today.

Face it, the more you think you know the more wrong you are.

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Mycroft said:

It's not about the election. It's about damaging Trump. The Dem Senators will NEVER give up trying to do that.

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MrWonka said:

Trump damages himself every time he opens his mouth or sends a tweet. It is only the Supreme Court that is keeping moderate Republicans from bailing on this sinking ship. Trump will be the death of the Republican party if they can't find a way to rain him and his sick followers in and show them who is boss. But for now, the long-term balance of the Supreme Court is more important to them.

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ataraxia said:

I have tried to understand conservatives. But they still make no sense. You railed against deficits for eight years straight. And are busting it again as you always do. You prefer to believe a Manhattan real estate con man over the unanimous scientific consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet. You tell us you want to see America respected again, and turn it into the laughingstock of the entire world. You tell us you want to drain the swamp, and bring in swamp water by the truck load and dump it on our heads. You tell us you’re about traditional values and family, and give us some more stomach turning creeps we have ever seen in this country‘s history.

I am trying to understand. I really am. But I think you can understand how it can be difficult.

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Mycroft said:

You are over thinking the issue.

It's not about the election. It's about damaging Trump. The Dem Senators will NEVER give up trying to do that.

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haymarket said:

Republicans are far ahead of the Democrats on understand one thing: if they clearly control a majority of the Supreme Court with right wing ideologies, they can lose the other two branches and still maintain a degree of control of public policy and law.

That is why some of them would allow a unfit mentally ill narcissist like Trump in the office and that is why they are jamming through this Kavanaugh nomination doing all manner of disgusting tactics to achieve their goal.

Democrats have been guilty of bringing pillows to he gun fight for a long time now and what happened to them with Garland and now Kavanaugh is the proof.

They are even more than willing to accept a bloodbath in November if it means a twenty year hold on the Court. They know it might take an election cycle or two or three but they will regain the House or Senate down the road.

They have shown they care nothing about truth or justice or democracy or the nicities of the democratic process. They will do whatever takes to win.

In that regard, they are far smarter and far craftier and just plain far more balls-to-the-walls psycho determined that the Democrats could ever be.

Which is why they will win this one.

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SDET said:

Wow! The left stoops to what are becoming increasingly obvious false accusations and the Republicans are supposedly using disgusting tactics?

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ataraxia said:

Why don’t you get back to us with that question when you finally find Obama’s real birth certificate.:lamo

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SDET said:

Wow! The left stoops to what are becoming increasingly obvious false accusations and the Republicans are supposedly using disgusting tactics?

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haymarket said:

The fact that Republicans refuse to ask for the FBI to investigate these accusations is TRUE.

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Fledermaus said:

What doesn't Kavanaugh deserve?

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ataraxia said:

i have tried to understand conservatives. But they still make no sense. You railed against deficits for eight years straight. And are busting it again as you always do. You prefer to believe a manhattan real estate con man over the unanimous scientific consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet. You tell us you want to see america respected again, and turn it into the laughingstock of the entire world. You tell us you want to drain the swamp, and bring in swamp water by the truck load and dump it on our heads. You tell us you’re about traditional values and family, and give us some more stomach turning creeps we have ever seen in this country‘s history.

I am trying to understand. I really am. But i think you can understand how it can be difficult.

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ataraxia said:

I have tried to understand conservatives. But they still make no sense. You railed against deficits for eight years straight. And are busting it again as you always do. You prefer to believe a Manhattan real estate con man over the unanimous scientific consensus of every single scientific organization on the entire planet. You tell us you want to see America respected again, and turn it into the laughingstock of the entire world. You tell us you want to drain the swamp, and bring in swamp water by the truck load and dump it on our heads. You tell us you’re about traditional values and family, and give us some more stomach turning creeps we have ever seen in this country‘s history.

I am trying to understand. I really am. But I think you can understand how it can be difficult.

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haymarket said:

Republicans are far ahead of the Democrats on understand one thing: if they clearly control a majority of the Supreme Court with right wing ideologies, they can lose the other two branches and still maintain a degree of control of public policy and law.

That is why some of them would allow a unfit mentally ill narcissist like Trump in the office and that is why they are jamming through this Kavanaugh nomination doing all manner of disgusting tactics to achieve their goal.

Democrats have been guilty of bringing pillows to he gun fight for a long time now and what happened to them with Garland and now Kavanaugh is the proof.

They are even more than willing to accept a bloodbath in November if it means a twenty year hold on the Court. They know it might take an election cycle or two or three but they will regain the House or Senate down the road.

They have shown they care nothing about truth or justice or democracy or the nicities of the democratic process. They will do whatever takes to win.

In that regard, they are far smarter and far craftier and just plain far more balls-to-the-walls psycho determined that the Democrats could ever be.

Which is why they will win this one.

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SDET said:

An FBI investigation would stall the nomination past Election Day and depress Republican turnout. It's also a diversion from the accuser testifying under oath. It's an obvious game.

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MrWonka said:

That's why we should focus on the few ****ty conservatives that are more single-minded. For decades Republicans have put forwards horrible policies that hurt the majority of Republican voters economically, but they use wedge issues like Guns and God to keep these voters on their side just like Obama said. By letting them believe they've won the short term victory for their god it puts a massive dent in that wedge issue.

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Fledermaus said:

What doesn't Kavanaugh deserve?

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