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Would you drive a woman to get a abortion

Aberration said:
It would be no different than if they decided to drown my grandchildren in the bath tub one night.
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Of course it is. A+ for dramatic hypberbole though. If you really think that, that's your right.

Again, I think that is sad.
 
holbritter said:
Of course it is. A+ for dramatic hypberbole though. If you really think that, that's your right.

Again, I think that is sad.
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Reality is obvious. Even when you have to try so hard to ignore it.
 
minnie616 said:
If that’s the case than I am glad you do not get to decide.

Since you would punish only those women who had medically tragic pregnancies and would have lost their very lifes or would been irreparably damaged such as stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, or had kidney or liver damage etc. for life if they had continued their pregnancies.
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It seems that I'm actually in the wrong thread. I used the 24th week bit in this thread and another on abortion. In the other thread, the OP asked me to pretend to be a pro-lifer, seeing as I messed up his poll and voted as one. The simple premise of the thread is whether or not it should or should not be legal, and if not, we were to explain what the consequences should be. Since I was pretending to be a Republican, I proposed that late-term abortions should be handled just the same as infanticide. That was the whole deal with the 'proposed penalties line'. I was replying to the wrong thread.

No, I don't actually think we should be jailing women who get abortions, but the original post that you responded to was, indeed, my true feelings on the matter. Furthermore, I wouldn't have any moral qaulms with driving a woman to a clinic under the circumstances you just described.
 
When someone you care about (which should be just about anyone) has made up their minds, you should support their decision and ensure their safety to the best of your ability.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Your daughters are having sex before they can drive?
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What a silly remark. Most procedures require that you bring someone who can drive you.
 
AlphaOmega said:
no they dont
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They no more allow patients to drive anywhere impaired any more than a hospital or any other responsible clinic where anesthesia has been administered.
 
DH Kirkwood said:
It seems that I'm actually in the wrong thread. I used the 24th week bit in this thread and another on abortion. In the other thread, the OP asked me to pretend to be a pro-lifer, seeing as I messed up his poll and voted as one. The simple premise of the thread is whether or not it should or should not be legal, and if not, we were to explain what the consequences should be. Since I was pretending to be a Republican, I proposed that late-term abortions should be handled just the same as infanticide. That was the whole deal with the 'proposed penalties line'. I was replying to the wrong thread.

No, I don't actually think we should be jailing women who get abortions, but the original post that you responded to was, indeed, my true feelings on the matter. Furthermore, I wouldn't have any moral qaulms with driving a woman to a clinic under the circumstances you just described.
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Thank you for the explanation.

In my post I was explaining that no elective abortions that late in pregnancy happen.

By vaiabilty it takes a highly trained doctor ( there are only 4 in the US ) who are qualified and able to perform clinic abortions that late in pregnancy and only in extream medial cases.
 
bearpoker said:
Yes. If I thought that's what she really wanted.
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As a Christian I would feel compelled to help a women in need, so yes.

If she had support and transportation from another, well then I'd crack a beer and watch some football.
 
minnie616 said:
Thank you for the explanation.

In my post I was explaining that no elective abortions that late in pregnancy happen.

By vaiabilty it takes a highly trained doctor ( there are only 4 in the US ) who are qualified and able to perform clinic abortions that late in pregnancy and only in extream medial cases.
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Hi Minnie...That 'only 4' number shocked me. Do you know many procedures are performed each year in the U.S. after that 'red line' has been crossed that only those 4 doctors can perform for whatever reasons,such as the mother's health and other factors? The logistics of getting access to these doctors must be confounding....thx in advance
 
katiegrrl0 said:
The flame that is between us could set every soul on fire. I would love to take that heat and let's fill the whole world with desire.
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First your signature pic caught my eye, beautiful. Then I read the signature, arousing in a healthy yet sensual way.

Ii does leave me to ponder... why would someone expose their intensity with such passion on a political board?

But then I saw you self identify with as a socialist and it all came full circle.

Good morning.
 
noonereal said:
First your signature pic caught my eye, beautiful. Then I read the signature, arousing in a healthy yet sensual way.

Ii does leave me to ponder... why would someone expose their intensity with such passion on a political board?

But then I saw you self identify with as a socialist and it all came full circle.

Good morning.
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I guess Socialists have passion like no other. We live life to the full and not in a crumpled box. We do no inhibit we inhabit. Good morning to you as well.
 
Logician Man said:
Hi Minnie...That 'only 4' number shocked me. Do you know many procedures are performed each year in the U.S. after that 'red line' has been crossed that only those 4 doctors can perform for whatever reasons,such as the mother's health and other factors? The logistics of getting access to these doctors must be confounding....thx in advance
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According to a 2003 Fox News article about 100 a year in the US are performed past 24 weeks.
June 17, 2003
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Of the 1.6 million abortions performed in the U.S. each year, 91 percent are performed during the first trimester (12 or fewer weeks' gestation); 9 percent are performed in the second trimester (24 or fewer weeks' gestation); and only about 100 are performed in the third trimester (more than 24 weeks' gestation),
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Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics | Fox News

The stats since then have changed.
By 2012 the numbers of abortion were less than 1.2 million.
In 2014 the CDC reported less than I million.

Fewer than I.3 percent of legal abortions took place between 21 weeks gestation and 24 weeks gestation.

Some for maternal health , more for fetal health since fetal abnormalies usually do not show up until the 18-20 gestational week ultrasound. That only gives the parents with input from the doctor and tests to decide if they want to terminate the pregnancy since viabily usually occurs between 22 and 24 weeks.

In 2003 only about 100 abortions occur after 24 weeks gestation.

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As I said it takes a highly skilled doctor to perform an abortion past viability that clinic abortions only take place for extream cases.

GYNs from all over the country send their patients with extreme cases past viabilty to one of the few doctors who is skilled enough to preform them.

There are only 3 clinics and 4 doctors in the US who perform these high risk abortions for these extreame cases.

In 2013, there were four doctors in the country who performed abortions after the 20th week of pregnancy, according to Slate. (Current numbers could be even lower.)

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So Dr. Gunter supplied a few facts of her own. Only 1.3 percent of abortions happen at, or after, 21 weeks, she said, and 80 percent of those are the results of catastrophic defects with the fetus. Dr. Gunter continued with a powerful explanation of why women generally seek out procedures like a late-term abortion.

Sometimes it can take weeks or even longer to fully understand what is going on with the fetus. Some patients might think they can make it to term and then at 34 weeks cave and ask to be delivered because they just can’t bear one more person asking them about their baby. Do they just smile and walk away or say, 'Well, actually, my baby has no brain and will die at birth?' Some women go to term and others can’t. To judge these women for requesting an early delivery is cruel on so many levels.
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https://www.romper.com/p/which-stat...tions-they-are-very-difficult-to-access-21069
 
katiegrrl0 said:
I guess Socialists have passion like no other. We live life to the full and not in a crumpled box. We do no inhibit we inhabit. Good morning to you as well.
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Which arts do you enjoy most and how do they shape you?
 
Logician Man said:
They no more allow patients to drive anywhere impaired any more than a hospital or any other responsible clinic where anesthesia has been administered.
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you dont get anesthesia before you get to the clinic.
 
noonereal said:
Which arts do you enjoy most and how do they shape you?
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Off-topic.

I cannot believe an (assumed) male just got this triggered by a photo.

PM her.
 
minnie616 said:
According to a 2003 Fox News article about 100 a year in the US are performed past 24 weeks.


Fast Facts: U.S. Abortion Statistics | Fox News

The stats since then have changed.
By 2012 the numbers of abortion were less than 1.2 million.
In 2014 the CDC reported less than I million.

Fewer than I.3 percent of legal abortions took place between 21 weeks gestation and 24 weeks gestation.

Some for maternal health , more for fetal health since fetal abnormalies usually do not show up until the 18-20 gestational week ultrasound. That only gives the parents with input from the doctor and tests to decide if they want to terminate the pregnancy since viabily usually occurs between 22 and 24 weeks.

In 2003 only about 100 abortions occur after 24 weeks gestation.

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As I said it takes a highly skilled doctor to perform an abortion past viability that clinic abortions only take place for extream cases.

GYNs from all over the country send their patients with extreme cases past viabilty to one of the few doctors who is skilled enough to preform them.

There are only 3 clinics and 4 doctors in the US who perform these high risk abortions for these extreame cases.



https://www.romper.com/p/which-stat...tions-they-are-very-difficult-to-access-21069
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Thank you for the info Minnie.
 
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