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[W:249]The Most Important Question About Abortion

Re: Prager is reliably Conservative

Bassman said:
OK so we'll endulge your fantasy now. Abortion right up to birth, Hell, let's go further and say that a newborn/infant isn't a person either and parents can eliminate them right up to age 3. Does that satisfy the left's lust for innocent blood?
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Also a mischarcterization of me and my views.

Is it impossible for you to discuss honestly? Every post you make is a sin in His eyes and certainly serves no purpose but to indulge your own ego...such pride is also a sin.

As I've written earlier, your posts only drive people away from Our Lord...not to Him.
 
Re: Prager is reliably Conservative

Lursa said:
So I posted this DIRECTLY to you in at least one post. So are you lying or incapable of understanding?

There are over 100,000 children in the US waiting to be adopted. Right now. Not in foster care...ready to be adopted.

So, you can drop that useless excuse now that you know.
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Bassman said:
OK so we'll endulge your fantasy now.
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It's no fantasy. So with the facts in front of you...will you admit it?

There are 107,918 foster children eligible for and waiting to be adopted. In 2014, 50,644 foster kids were adopted — a number that has stayed roughly consistent for the past five years. The average age of a waiting child is 7.7 years old and 29% of them will spend at least three years in foster care.

https://adoptionnetwork.com/adoption-statistics
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More:

https://adoptuskids.org/adoption-and-foster-care/overview/adoption-from-foster-care

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a35860/adoption-statistics/
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Re: Prager is reliably Conservative

Bassman said:
No, it isn't. But relegating faith to the home and church are not options either. And choice must be tempered with responsibility and consequences, good or bad. Abortion should never be a valid option when there is a depleted adoption pool.
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There is no "depleted adoption pool". There are thousands of children available for adoption.

BTW, women are not broodmares for the barren. Nobody is entitled to the progeny of another.
 
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Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
How is it beautiful for babies to be torn apart out of their mothers' wombs? Adolf Hitler would be so proud of you and the rest of the pro-aborts.
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Lursa said:
You have been told and provided with the statistics that show 97.5% of all abortions consist of painlessly flushing the pea-sized unborn from the womb. And the rest are almost all medically necessary.

So why are you lying? You are lying to further a dishonest agenda and that is a sin. Since what you are lying about isnt even happening, you cant even justify the lie.
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:applaud
 
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Bassman said:
No, it isn't. But relegating faith to the home and church are not options either. And choice must be tempered with responsibility and consequences, good or bad. Abortion should never be a valid option when there is a depleted adoption pool.
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Deleted adoption pool? Where?


https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/cb/afcarsreport23.pdf

September 30 2015 427,910 in foster care.

September 30, 2015 111,820 waiting for adoption.

Personally, I think this should be a reason to help people access the best and most reliable birth control (long term implantables have a very high success rate) in order to avoid abortion...but that is just me.
 
Re: Prager is reliably Conservative

Bassman said:
No, it isn't. But relegating faith to the home and church are not options either. And choice must be tempered with responsibility and consequences, good or bad. Abortion should never be a valid option when there is a depleted adoption pool.
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Have you added your name to the depleted adoption pool?
 
Re: The Most Important Question About Abortion

No, IOW you can't disprove. it. It is the God YOU are talking about.
Scrabaholic said:
IOW, you can't prove it. I understand and accept your concession.
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So you are "presuming" that the woman will die because of her decision?

When I say 'Pro-choice' is actually 'Pro-abortion' is is merely an observation of how you folks work that system. She is ALSO making a choice for the baby.

I put the unborn and the woman involved at the EXACT same level, not one over the other. She should have come to that understanding BEFORE she became pregnant.

Lursa said:
You speak for others and your words are a lie. So it's a sin.

Presuming to know what's in the heart of others is also a sin.

Choice means exactly that: a woman can choose the best decision for HER life.

Why do you prioritize the unborn over her?
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smallvoice said:
So you are "presuming" that the woman will die because of her decision?

When I say 'Pro-choice' is actually 'Pro-abortion' is is merely an observation of how you folks work that system. She is ALSO making a choice for the baby.

I put the unborn and the woman involved at the EXACT same level, not one over the other. She should have come to that understanding BEFORE she became pregnant.
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Of course not. A life is more than just breathing. I believe in quality of life, not quantity.

But if you want to look at life and numbers, 86,700 women/yr in the US die or have significant health damage (aneurysm, kidney failure, stroke, pre-eclampsia, etc) during pregnancy and childbirth. Obviously, these were not predicted or preventable (even with the option of abortion).

These are significant numbers and each tragedy affects significant numbers of family, friends, and dependents who are harmed by their loss or loss of income.

Every single pregnancy is a risk to a woman's life. Again...it cant be predicted or prevented.

So only the woman should be allowed to decide if she should take that signficant risk, to her life and that of her family. Not you. And the govt recognizes it doesnt have the right to either.

If you think the mother's will should be overcome to give birth, you do not value both equally. You are valuing the unborn over women.
 
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Re: The Most Important Question About Abortion

DebateChallenge said:
Whether you're pro choice or pro life this video makes some important points and should in my opinion be watched if you have any position on the abortion debate.
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And what is your opinion? Why is it your 'opinion' that people should watch it? What was the significant point(s) that we should be taking away?
 
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Lursa said:
And what is your opinion? Why is it your 'opinion' that people should watch it? What was the significant point(s) that we should be taking away?
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My opinion is that abortion should be outright banned. Its filicide any way you look at it.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
My opinion is that abortion should be outright banned. Its filicide any way you look at it.
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So you would would allow your wife or daughter,if you have either or both, to die if carrying to term was a given ? Because that is what would happen to many women if your outright ban become the law of the land.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
My opinion is that abortion should be outright banned. Its filicide any way you look at it.
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So no consideration for the mother at all then?

It's also homicide, foeticide, etc. Those are labels. They're not necessarily illegal nor are they even morally wrong. Homicide is not always considered wrong...such as in self-defense, war.

If it was so black and white...why did SCOTUS take the case and come to a different conclusion than you?
 
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Logician Man said:
So you would would allow your wife or daughter,if you have either or both, to die if carrying to term was a given ? Because that is what would happen to many women if your outright ban become the law of the land.
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I would try to have the baby safely removed.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
I would try to have the baby safely removed.
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It's not a baby..try again...but putting terms aside,if the life form was determined to be dead while in the womb,your outright ban would not allow the female to have an abortion,which would put her own health at very serious risk of death.
 
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Re: The Most Important Question About Abortion

Logician Man said:
It's not a baby..try again...but putting terms aside,if the life form was determined to be dead while in the womb,your outright ban would not allow the female to have an abortion,which would put her own health at very serious risk of death.
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We can always make exceptions based on medical reasons (and possibly others). I am generally against abortion but I am for it when the pregnancy threatens the mother's life.
 
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Wan said:
We can always make exceptions based on medical reasons (and possibly others). I am generally against abortion but I am for it when the pregnancy threatens the mother's life.
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I see you opted to delete/edit another one of your fallacious posts....:lamo
 
Re: The Most Important Question About Abortion

Logician Man said:
I see you opted to delete/edit another one of your fallacious posts....:lamo
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I see nothing posters do here gets past you because you live on this forum.
 
Re: The Most Important Question About Abortion

Wan said:
I see nothing posters do here gets past you because you live on this forum.
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You're partially correct.:mrgreen:
 
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