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[W:249]The Most Important Question About Abortion

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As if you've ever done enough homework to ever find out.

Er, the 'homework' you did to get your useless theological degree was a complete waste, that much is obvious.

You cannot even produce the evidence you claimed exists.
 
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I've done more than you,and I follow Christ's teachings better than you.

Lying is a sin so I'd scale back your judgements on other Christians. You have, as far as I can tell, lied about having evidence of God's existence.
 
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I've done more than you,and I follow Christ's teachings better than you.

You don't even know the depth of those teachings, or you wouldn't be arguing against the faith like you do.
 
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Lying is a sin so I'd scale back your judgements on other Christians. You have, as far as I can tell, lied about having evidence of God's existence.

In your dreams, Lursa.
 
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You don't even know the depth of those teachings, or you wouldn't be arguing against the faith like you do.

see post 50
 
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In your dreams, Lursa.

Prove you arent lying then. You claimed you had evidence that God exists. You did not produce it...can you?
 
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I've done more than you,and I follow Christ's teachings better than you.

Arrogance is also a sin. Modesty is a virtue.
 
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Prove you arent lying then. You claimed you had evidence that God exists. You did not produce it...can you?

What good would it do you?
 
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Arrogance is also a sin. Modesty is a virtue.

Making wild claims one cannot back up (i.e. God being a myth) is hardly being modest.
 
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I like the way you think :)

Actually though, evangelicals tend to expand through families. In other words they get the children. They also tend to get converts through the socioeconomically vulnerable, like addicts/alcoholics, people who are down and out. They offer community, love and support which comes attached to the religious messages. When one is really struggling long-term and in a dire negative head space, the conflation of loving support with religion may become automatic. One may assume that because these people are so loving that their religion may also be worth considering.

I say this as an ex-Catholic who grew up in the Church life. I get it, I really do. I'm not even claiming that Jesus, as a force, is unreal or irrelevant. I'm just talking about this as a political phenomenon. The evangelicals are a tour de force and not in a good way. It's a lot of traditionalism and entitlement wrapped up into one, which forms a nice righteous package.

Exactly. I'm a practicing Christian and I believe in the Lord ON FAITH. That is what He demands of us. To believe and follow His Word on faith alone.

The need for proof is, IMO, clear evidence of weak faith. And claiming it exists is a lie and goes against His Word.

People like you describe, and that often post here in this sub-forum, are so filled with hate and self-righteousness and arrogance that they bring shame to my religion of peace, forgiveness, compassion, and brotherly love.
 
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see post 50

My argument is the lack of evidence to prove your religious beliefs are factual,not that you have faith in your religious beliefs. EDIT: post intended for Logic M.
 
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Thanks Lursa... it just drives me nuts how so many people demand that their religious views be taken seriously... and yet they refuse to to acknowledge the differing views of others. It's just pure hypocrisy. If you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one. Simple. But where does anyone get off telling any woman what they can or can't do with their own body? And then these same people will turn around and castigate Iran for treating women like second-class citizens.

Because there can be ONLY ONE absolute, immutable truth. Satan is called the "father of all lies" for a reason. Religion is man's vain attempt to seek God "in his own way" rather than seek God in HIS way, which means come to the Cross. And according to Matthew 28:16b-20, a Christian cannot keep his faith private.
 
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Making wild claims one cannot back up (i.e. God being a myth) is hardly being modest.

Hey, you made the claim you have the evidence He exists. Prove it. Or you lied. (It's the 2nd one).
 
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I like the way you think :)

Actually though, evangelicals tend to expand through families. In other words they get the children. They also tend to get converts through the socioeconomically vulnerable, like addicts/alcoholics, people who are down and out. They offer community, love and support which comes attached to the religious messages. When one is really struggling long-term and in a dire negative head space, the conflation of loving support with religion may become automatic. One may assume that because these people are so loving that their religion may also be worth considering.

I say this as an ex-Catholic who grew up in the Church life. I get it, I really do. I'm not even claiming that Jesus, as a force, is unreal or irrelevant. I'm just talking about this as a political phenomenon. The evangelicals are a tour de force and not in a good way. It's a lot of traditionalism and entitlement wrapped up into one, which forms a nice righteous package.

Society becoming atomized is an interesting way of looking at it, and yes I can see the problems there. My main beef is that our polity has been gamed. Our secular system which is supposed to operate on secular evidence and gathering of information from constituents has now been gamed. Everyone is trying to push through their political message through populism rather than rational appeal: evangelicals, leftists, rightist, etc. Look at the President we have now. He played the populist game and won, no real qualifications necessary. Too many people are trying to go above it or underneath it rather than the fair and democratic way which is through it.

If it were a trans-generational phenomena, though, then why did it take until the 1980's or so before it religious fundamentalism became a force in politics?

Personally, I lay a lot of problems with our politics at the altar of the Presidential primary system. In the old days (before 1972), we usually ended up with sensible candidates.... but since then, each party's nomination has become easy prey for hardliners who can marshal motivated supporters to turn out and swamp low-turnout primaries. I long for the old "smoke-filled rooms" of yesteryear and the party insiders could get together and wheel and deal and come up with balanced nominees. Sure, it may not have been as democratic, but isn't that what general elections are for?
 
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Exactly. I'm a practicing Christian and I believe in the Lord ON FAITH. That is what He demands of us. To believe and follow His Word on faith alone.

The need for proof is, IMO, clear evidence of weak faith. And claiming it exists is a lie and goes against His Word.

People like you describe, and that often post here in this sub-forum, are so filled with hate and self-righteousness and arrogance that they bring shame to my religion of peace, forgiveness, compassion, and brotherly love.

If you were a "practicing 'Christian'", then you would not support abortion, homosexual marriage, or any of the other Leftist causes.
 
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If it were a trans-generational phenomena, though, then why did it take until the 1980's or so before it religious fundamentalism became a force in politics?

Personally, I lay a lot of problems with our politics at the altar of the Presidential primary system. In the old days (before 1972), we usually ended up with sensible candidates.... but since then, each party's nomination has become easy prey for hardliners who can marshal motivated supporters to turn out and swamp low-turnout primaries. I long for the old "smoke-filled rooms" of yesteryear and the party insiders could get together and wheel and deal and come up with balanced nominees. Sure, it may not have been as democratic, but isn't that what general elections are for?
"Sensible" to the lunatic Left means uber Liberals who would rather the US become Communist.
 
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What good would it do you?
This exchange started this particular conversation:
Of course, the question for the pro-abortion crowd, is: What divine insight does the pro-abortion crowd think they have to where they can destroy in a mother’s womb that which God is somehow instrumental in creating?
Why should anyone that doesnt believe in your mythical god do what he/you say?

If someone told you the god Riva said to kill all the unborn of a population, support it? Why not?

We live in a secular country. You clearly want to impose your beliefs on others. Is that true or not?
 
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If you were a "practicing 'Christian'", then you would not support abortion, homosexual marriage, or any of the other Leftist causes.

'No true Scotsman Fallacy' ^^^^^^^
 
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If you were a "practicing 'Christian'", then you would not support abortion, homosexual marriage, or any of the other Leftist causes.

Dont lie about me...nor judge me.
 
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"Sensible" to the lunatic Left means uber Liberals who would rather the US become Communist.

Again....nonsense. Liberals, including myself, do not remotely want communism. Or socialism.
 
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Dont lie about me...nor judge me.

The judgments made against you are based in the Bible, the book you reject. And I am not lying about you. True Christians, those born-again of the Spirit (Jn 3:3) oppose abortion and recognize homosexuality for what it is: sin.
 
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Because there can be ONLY ONE absolute, immutable truth. Satan is called the "father of all lies" for a reason. Religion is man's vain attempt to seek God "in his own way" rather than seek God in HIS way, which means come to the Cross. And according to Matthew 28:16b-20, a Christian cannot keep his faith private.

I disagree... Matthew 28:16-20 is a teaching to spread the word - I've got no problem with that. However, when it comes to man's relationship to God, I subscribe to Matthew 6:5-15 - it is a private matter between an individual and God.
 
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