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For the pro abortion crowd. [W: 92]

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RealRutger said:
I'm going to utilize my first post on the site to ask the obvious question: besides abortion, what other choices do "pro-choice" advocates support?... Because the only one that is ever acknowledged and supported by them is abortion.
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False.

Pro Choice means the pregnant woman has the choice.

She can choose to continue the pregnancy. In fact the majority of women do choose to carry till term.

She may also choose to give the baby up for adoption after the infant is born.

In fact About 1 percent of US women choose to give a newborn up for adoption.

Welcome to the DP forum.
 
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It’s quite simple. The choice is between having a child or killing the child. There is no in between. There is no spin that will change that. Pro-choice is pro-abortion.
 
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Aberration said:
It’s quite simple. The choice is between having a child or killing the child. There is no in between. There is no spin that will change that. Pro-choice is pro-abortion.
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False.

Pro choice means allowing the pregnant to make her own choice.

As stated most women choose to continue their pregnancy and I support that choice even if the fetus is so malformed that if it survives birth it would cost the taxpayer millions of dollars in medical care.

The choice is upto the pregnant woman.
 
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minnie616 said:
False.

Pro Choice means the pregnant woman has the choice.

She can choose to continue the pregnancy. In fact the majority of women do choose to carry till term.

She may also choose to give the baby up for adoption after the infant is born.

In fact About 1 percent of US women choose to give a newborn up for adoption.

Welcome to the DP forum.
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But it is true. Pro aborts like you push abortion at all costs because it is the most holy sacrament of Liberalism.
 
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Bassman said:
But it is true. Pro aborts like you push abortion at all costs because it is the most holy sacrament of Liberalism.
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False.

I support choice as stated above.

I will not support a country that does not allow early elective abortions.

I also will not support a country that forces a woman to have abortion even if the fetus were so malformed it would cost the taxpayers of dollars in medical care.
 
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Bassman said:
You and Hitler have so much in common. You both support eugenics and eliminating the "undesirables".
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False.
 
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minnie616 said:
False.

I support choice as stated above.

I will not support a country that does not allow early elective abortions.

I also will not support a country that forces a woman to have abortion even if the fetus were so malformed it would cost the taxpayers of dollars in medical care.
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Abortion for nothing more than selfish, self-centered convenience. Morally reprehensible. And I pray God would pour out His wrath on this country soon for the innocent blood we are shedding at these modern day concentration camps.
 
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Bassman said:
Abortion for nothing more than selfish, self-centered convenience. Morally reprehensible. And I pray God would pour out His wrath on this country soon for the innocent blood we are shedding at these modern day concentration camps.
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God allows free will/choice.
God is loving. He is so loving he sent Christ and now we have the New Covenant.
 
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Bassman said:
Abortion for nothing more than selfish, self-centered convenience. Morally reprehensible. And I pray God would pour out His wrath on this country soon for the innocent blood we are shedding at these modern day concentration camps.
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And you have the right to decide morality?

And as stated before, abortion is usually not a selfish act.

Blah blah blah, god this god that. Keep your god in your home and in your church/your life but you have no right to insert it into a woman's private reproductive choices.
 
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Bassman said:
It is still wrong to kill your offspring, period. Abortion is nothing more than the epitome of selfishness. And that is sin.
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Killing your offspring is illegal and has nothing to do with abortion.

EVERYONE is selfish. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
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Bassman said:
How is it "selfless" when the ONLY person the woman is thinking of is herself? Liberals don't know the meaning of sacrifice. Once a child is conceived, she forfeits her desires, rights, etc. for the sake of the child.
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No, she does not. And I'm not liberal.
 
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Bassman said:
Abortion for nothing more than selfish, self-centered convenience. Morally reprehensible. And I pray God would pour out His wrath on this country soon for the innocent blood we are shedding at these modern day concentration camps.
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My god is pro choice.
 
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Aberration said:
It’s quite simple. The choice is between having a child or killing the child. There is no in between. There is no spin that will change that. Pro-choice is pro-abortion.
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Incorrect.
 
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minnie616 said:
God allows free will/choice.
God is loving. He is so loving he sent Christ and now we have the New Covenant.
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Which does not negate the Moral Law. God is still Holy and righteous and He will exact judgement upon unrepentant mankind.
 
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Bassman said:
Which does not negate the Moral Law. God is still Holy and righteous and He will exact judgement upon unrepentant mankind.
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You seem stuck in the Old Testament .

Christ brought to us the new covenant.


God is a very understanding God.
He has been with me throughout my life.
He understands everything about me and he has made me the caring mother I am.
He would not fault me for choosing my born children over an unborn.
An unborn is not yet a child.
I gave birth to four children whom I loved and cared for in the very best way I was able to.
I had two miscarriages. They were fetuses that miscarriage. One was very malformed fetus that I miscarried at about 20 weeks.
Thankfully my body went into contractions and it was expelled in a timely manner.
If not my doctor would have had to remove it because it would likely have given me a life threatening septic infection.
My doctor said it never would have lived even if I had carried it longer. He said pathology told him it was so malformed they could even tell if was a boy or girl.
My four Children depended on my husband and myself.
They are the ones that God put in my care and I would do anything to protect them.
Part of protecting them when they little was to stay as healthy I could for them and take care of them the very best I could.
That would have included an abortion/removal by a doctor if my life had depended on its removal.

My religion does not believe in ensoulment until birth when God breaths his breath of life into the born baby.

The fetus is just the body or shell in which the soul will enter upon birth.
 
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minnie616 said:
You seem stuck in the Old Testament .

Christ brought to us the new covenant.


God is a very understanding God.
He has been with me throughout my life.
He understands everything about me and he has made me the caring mother I am.
He would not fault me for choosing my born children over an unborn.
An unborn is not yet a child.
I gave birth to four children whom I loved and cared for in the very best way I was able to.
I had two miscarriages. They were fetuses that miscarriage. One was very malformed fetus that I miscarried at about 20 weeks.
Thankfully my body went into contractions and it was expelled in a timely manner.
If not my doctor would have had to remove it because it would likely have given me a life threatening septic infection.
My doctor said it never would have lived even if I had carried it longer. He said pathology told him it was so malformed they could even tell if was a boy or girl.
My four Children depended on my husband and myself.
They are the ones that God put in my care and I would do anything to protect them.
Part of protecting them when they little was to stay as healthy I could for them and take care of them the very best I could.
That would have included an abortion/removal by a doctor if my life had depended on its removal.

My religion does not believe in ensoulment until birth when God breaths his breath of life into the born baby.

The fetus is just the body or shell in which the soul will enter upon birth.
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And you still have an incredible, if not outright blasphemous interpretation of God's Word. God will not allow homosexuals, thieves, fornicators, liars, murderers into His Kingdom.
 
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Bassman said:
And you still have an incredible, if not outright blasphemous interpretation of God's Word. God will not allow homosexuals, thieves, fornicators, liars, murderers into His Kingdom.
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Fear God if you wish.
I do not fear God as I sincerly believe God is a living , loving God and I sincerely believe in the New Covenent.
 
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minnie616 said:
Fear God if you wish.
I do not fear God as I sincerly believe to be a living loving God and I sincerely believe in the New Covenent.
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The New Covenant still does not allow sinners into heaven. This goes against God's very nature of purity and Holiness. Hence the Cross at Calvary. ONLY through a born again relationship with Christ can one attain heaven, but it also means repentance from sin. Salvation comes immediately to those who submit themselves to Christ, Repentance can be and usually is a longer process to gain victory over sin. God the Father just won't allow anyone into His Kingdom, no matter how many good works they did, or seemed like a good person because God's standards are total perfection, which we as sinful wicked creatures, are incapable of. Hence the Cross.
 
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Bassman said:
The New Covenant still does not allow sinners into heaven. This goes against God's very nature of purity and Holiness. Hence the Cross at Calvary. ONLY through a born again relationship with Christ can one attain heaven, but it also means repentance from sin. Salvation comes immediately to those who submit themselves to Christ, Repentance can be and usually is a longer process to gain victory over sin. God the Father just won't allow anyone into His Kingdom, no matter how many good works they did, or seemed like a good person because God's standards are total perfection, which we as sinful wicked creatures, are incapable of. Hence the Cross.
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Being pro choice is not a sin but Judging others might be.
 
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Bassman said:
And you still have an incredible, if not outright blasphemous interpretation of God's Word. God will not allow homosexuals, thieves, fornicators, liars, murderers into His Kingdom.
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Then I don't want to go. Lol
 
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minnie616 said:
Being pro choice is not a sin but Judging others might be.
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Making righteous judgments is not a sin. In fact, as Evangelicals we are commanded to call people to the carpet. Abortion is still sin though.
 
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vegas giants said:
Then I don't want to go. Lol
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Your choice, but I warn you. It is a place of eternal darkness, torment, and pain. You will be all alone, eternally separated from God, and from others, you will burn in fire that will never quench, you will be completely aware, and you still will bow the knee to God Almighty.
 
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Bassman said:
Your choice, but I warn you. It is a place of eternal darkness, torment, and pain. You will be all alone, eternally separated from God, and from others, you will burn in fire that will never quench, you will be completely aware, and you still will bow the knee to God Almighty.
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So, Pheonix basically.
 
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Bassman said:
Making righteous judgments is not a sin. In fact, as Evangelicals we are commanded to call people to the carpet. Abortion is still sin though.
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Evangelists used to be pro choice too.

They did not believe ensoulment happened until birth.

In 1968, Christianity Today published a special issue on contraception and abortion, encapsulating the consensus among evangelical thinkers at the time. In the leading article, professor Bruce Waltke, of the famously conservative Dallas Theological Seminary, explained the Bible plainly teaches that life begins at birth:

“God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed. The Law plainly exacts: 'If a man kills any human life he will be put to death' (Lev. 24:17). But according to Exodus 21:22–24, the destruction of the fetus is not a capital offense… Clearly, then, in contrast to the mother, the fetus is not reckoned as a soul.”

The magazine Christian Life agreed, insisting, “The Bible definitely pinpoints a difference in the value of a fetus and an adult.” And the Southern Baptist Convention passed a 1971 resolution affirming abortion should be legal not only to protect the life of the mother, but to protect her emotional health as well.
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Read more:

My Take: When evangelicals were pro-choice ? CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs
 
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