View Poll Results: When is it ethically justified to abort?

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  • Never

    3 4.17%
  • Only if the mom's life/health is in danger

    11 15.28%
  • Only if it's the result of a rape (or there's a health issue)

    5 6.94%
  • Any time before viability

    18 25.00%
  • Any time at all

    17 23.61%
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Thread: When is it ethically okay?

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    I don't think it would be much different from a woman who delivers a stillborn baby, such as my sister did. Her baby was full term but his umbilical cord ruptured and she went in when she hadn't feel him kicking. No telling how long he'd been dead -- 24 hours, maybe, but she was informed that she could have a c-sect, which she chose, or opt for natural birth, which could have involved delivering the baby in pieces, since it would be deteriorating.

    That was a really tough time for her -- but I don't think a late term abort would be much different. Once the fetus dies, birth will naturally happen or a c-sect can be done.

    I think virtually any doctor could do that -- deliver a dead fetus -- and also inject the serum to stop its heart. I just think the laws in various states are such that prohibit doctors from doing it. Plus, some might have reservations. But, if we had a federal law, the ones who were willing could all be on a list and women wouldn't have so far to go.
    So sorry about your sisters loss.


    The injection takes a lot of skill is what I told. Now with new machines to actually view the heart while injecting the shot it might be easier. Also the clinic would need to able to remain opened and staffed 24 hours a day.



    I have 4 born children. My 3rd child was delivered very quickly. My water broke and was discolored ( I knew that meant the fetus was stressed.) hard labor came right away and my husband rushed me to hospital. When I got there they took me right to delivery. The
    Doctor did not have time to give any pain drugs. (In fact they took my info including asking about allergies after the delivery comleted.
    The umbilical cord was around his neck and the doctor had to detangle it.)

    Luckily he survived and other than being dyslexic ( which may or may not be a result of the umbilical cord around his neck) he was fine.

    Before my pregnancy with him I miscarried a 20 week fetus that was very malformed.

    I have to admit that the labor pains I had with the miscarriage were harder and more painful than any of my 4 children , including my 3 child who was overdue
    Last edited by minnie616; 09-06-18 at 09:17 AM.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    So sorry about your sisters loss.


    The injection takes a lot of skill is what I told. Now with new machines to actually view the heart while injecting the shot it might be easier. Also the clinic would need to able to remain opened and staffed 24 hours a day.



    I have 4 born children. My 3rd child was delivered very quickly. My water broke and was discolored ( I knew that meant the fetus was stressed.) hard labor came right away and my husband rushed me to hospital. When I got there they took me right to delivery. The
    Doctor did not have time to give any pain drugs. (In fact they took my info including asking about allergies after the delivery comleted.
    The umbilical cord was around his neck and the doctor had to detangle it.)

    Luckily he survived and other than being dyslexic ( which may or may not be a result of the umbilical cord around his neck) he was fine.

    Before my pregnancy with him I miscarried a 20 week fetus that was very malformed.

    I have to admit that the labor pains I had with the miscarriage were harder and more painful than any of my 4 children , including my 3 child who was overdue
    Totally agree on hard pains with a miscarriage. Mine was at 14 weeks but it was still a killer. My doc at the time told me it was because the cervix hasn't softened at all with a miscarriage so the pain is intense. At 20 weeks, it would be even worse.

    I'll bet you're right about the new technology making it a little simpler to inject into a fetus heart. On the other hand, I wonder why they couldn't cut the umbilical cord, similar to the rupture that killed my sister's baby? They told her that her baby's death would have been painless.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Totally agree on hard pains with a miscarriage. Mine was at 14 weeks but it was still a killer. My doc at the time told me it was because the cervix hasn't softened at all with a miscarriage so the pain is intense. At 20 weeks, it would be even worse.

    I'll bet you're right about the new technology making it a little simpler to inject into a fetus heart. On the other hand, I wonder why they couldn't cut the umbilical cord, similar to the rupture that killed my sister's baby? They told her that her baby's death would have been painless.
    So sorry to learn about your miscarriage.

    I don’t know why either.

    But maybe since the cervix has not softened and the fetus is so large at 24 weeks the doctor cannot the instrument inside and reach the umbilical cord to cut it.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    Support for and against abortion should not be discussed outside of a Beliefs/Theology Forum?
    You’ve created a compound argument in which you expect or assume that everyone else is in sync with the moral formula by which you’ve constructed your beliefs regarding women’s reproductive roles and rights.

    Your arguments have been pretty much emanating from your religious tenets. If your going to continue arguments in that vein, then they are subject to other arguments based on a different interpretation of your specific religion, or from a totally different religion, which teachings are not aligned with yours. Religious teachings can be way more controversial than issues on abortion.

    In other words, you’ve made your arguments in a way that forces other members to focus on the fundamental tenets of “your religion” along with “your interpretations” of your religion - rather than the core arguments around women’s rights to choose how many children that she wants to have, or not have.

    Conception has a host of life impacting consequences. Whether or not you agree with the methods used to address these consequences of conception, you need to grasp that individual women are entitled to act on their own moral foundation when they are faced with having to make a decision about the fate of their conception.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    If the mothers health is in danger at any time
    If the mother was impregnated via rape/assault at no charge
    If the mother and father both agree to abort for any other reason they choose during the first half of the pregnancy
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    According to your own ethics, morals, philosophy, and values, under what circumstances to you believe it's right to end a pregnancy?
    Anytime at the mother's discretion and in accordance with the law.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    Anytime at the mother's discretion and in accordance with the law.
    Just out of curiosity, how does the law play into your personal sense of ethics, morals, and values? Laws are very changeable.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Just out of curiosity, how does the law play into your personal sense of ethics, morals, and values? Laws are very changeable.
    Great question, apparently you give some thought to the issue

    To answer your question: I'm a law-abiding person and encourage others to do the same. Through the legal process, we all get to decide together what kind of society we want to be. Most of the policies that last in America are the policies that serve the most people well. I do have personal boundaries where, if the law broke my boundary, I would break the law, but that's a rare exeption. I would encourage one to take action within the law as much as possible and only break the law when absolutly necessary.

    I wouldn't want the abortion of late-term pregnancies to become normal, for example, and so I support the existing limitation on abortion to be viability except in very rare cases. Speaking for my own morals, I feel that late-term abortion is to close to infanticide, something I would never condone at all. I put myself in the other person's place and I feel that if I were the woman considering an abortion, I wouldn't feel that viability was to short of a time to make my choice.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Jr View Post
    Great question, apparently you give some thought to the issue

    To answer your question: I'm a law-abiding person and encourage others to do the same. Through the legal process, we all get to decide together what kind of society we want to be. Most of the policies that last in America are the policies that serve the most people well. I do have personal boundaries where, if the law broke my boundary, I would break the law, but that's a rare exeption. I would encourage one to take action within the law as much as possible and only break the law when absolutly necessary.

    I wouldn't want the abortion of late-term pregnancies to become normal, for example, and so I support the existing limitation on abortion to be viability except in very rare cases. Speaking for my own morals, I feel that late-term abortion is to close to infanticide, something I would never condone at all. I put myself in the other person's place and I feel that if I were the woman considering an abortion, I wouldn't feel that viability was to short of a time to make my choice.
    Well said , and I agree.

    Abortions past viabilty in this country are extremely rare.

    We have several states in the US that do not proscribe ( ban ) abortions past viability yet the only abortions performed past viabilty
    Are the extreme cases. There are about 100 clinic abortions past 24 weeks ( the limit of viabilty ) per year in the US. There are only 4 doctors in the United States who perform these extremely rare abortions for these extreme cases. Doctors from all the US send their patients with these extreame conditions to one of those 4 doctors.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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