View Poll Results: When is it ethically justified to abort?

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Thread: When is it ethically okay?

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Roe vs Wade allows women to chose their own health decisions up to viability.

    Do you agree Women should be able to choose?
    I believe that most women understand that they're choosing to end another person's life, and if they want to do it ethically, they need some justification for doing so. Please remember that this thread is about ethics and not law.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    So it sounds like your personal ethics are a perfect match with Roe v Wade. Were they the same before that decision?
    Yes, Roe is a perfect match with my ethics.

    I was about 11 years old when the Thalidmine babies made headlines in the USA.
    A US news reporter had taken the drug Thalidomine early in her pregnancy.
    News reports surfaced in Europe that a number of babies were being born without arms or legs, sometimes all the limbs were affected and that the cause was the Thalidomine drug they had taken during pregnancy.
    The news reporter wanted an abortion and pleaded for a legal abortion in the USA.

    She was denied an abortion in the US and eventually went to Sweden where she had her abortion.
    I thought it was horrible that The United States was so backwards with their laws they would not even allow abortions in these therapeutic type cases.

    I cried for the women and their babies that were affected by the Thalidomine drug.
    I cried for the woman in the USA who could not have a legal abortion in their country .


    I was a young married woman and the expecting a planned baby
    when the Surpreme Court ruled 7 to 2 in favor of legal early abortions in the United States.

    I was so happy about the Roe vs Wade decision.

    Finally women in the USA were allowed to be first class citizens and were granted the right to privacy regarding their reproductive
    Medical decisions.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    RM, I have always condemned that kind of behavior, and those places need to make sure that their patients don't experience it. There also need to be other places (hospitals, physician's office, generalized clinics, etc.) that perform the procedure.


    To my knowledge, the same rules apply as for any other type of medical information. If I'm mistaken, please show a source that says otherwise.
    Abortion statistics can be found as easily as the daily sports. The government, being privy to collecting abortion stats can be found at CDCs Abortion Surveillance System publishes collected data in a public database anything you want know about abortion.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/...cid=ss6624a1_w
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I believe that most women understand that they're choosing to end another person's life, and if they want to do it ethically, they need some justification for doing so. Please remember that this thread is about ethics and not law.

    You have previously said that her personal ethics are relevant...so then why would her decision be questioned? (as any decision she makes is legal and not part of the question)

    So again, what ethical justification *in your opinion* places the unborn's needs and future ahead of hers?


    I have answered it of course, and am happy to copy it again.
    Last edited by Lursa; 08-10-18 at 01:38 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    Point to the tax codes, of any kind, that say the actual passage:"abortion is not murder".
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post

    So again, what ethical justification..
    You need a justification for your Christian Sharia.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I believe that most women understand that they're choosing to end another person's life,
    Ah. Sorry, this is a detail that should be investigated because it definitely has ethical relevance.

    I do not recognize the unborn as a person. Many many people do not recognize the unborn as person.

    So while I believe all women 'understand' that they are choosing to end a life, they do not all attach the same 'ethical considerations' to the status of the unborn. They dont all consider it a person.

    Leaving legal considerations out of it, why do you think someone else should attach more 'meaning' to the life of the unborn? (If you do)
    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    Point to the tax codes, of any kind, that say the actual passage:"abortion is not murder".
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by late View Post
    You need a justification for your Christian Sharia.
    I have done so more than once in the thread. If you read it and find my justification worth discussion, feel free to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    Point to the tax codes, of any kind, that say the actual passage:"abortion is not murder".
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post

    I have done so more than once in the thread. If you read it and find my justification worth discussion, feel free to do so.
    Law has to be secular.

    Science is no help, religion is off the table.

    And medical ethical structures allow for compromise.

    I don't need to read the thread to know DOA when I see it.
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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by late View Post
    Law has to be secular.

    Science is no help, religion is off the table.

    And medical ethical structures allow for compromise.

    I don't need to read the thread to know DOA when I see it.
    And the secular law says that the unborn has no rights, including a right to life.

    Since you seem to agree with that, why the criticism?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wan View Post
    Point to the tax codes, of any kind, that say the actual passage:"abortion is not murder".
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: When is it ethically okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post

    And the secular law says that the unborn has no rights, including a right to life.

    Since you seem to agree with that, why the criticism?
    Looks like I misread your comment, sorry.
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