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Ever been to an abortion support group?

Mountainmanbob said:
I have to share that one with the MountainLady -- she'll probably die laughing.
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Why? Does MountainLady think that women should be punished for getting and restricted from having abortions? Does she do so for magical, biblical reasons? Just because some women offer themselves into bondage doesn't mean they aren't slaves and it sure as **** doesn't justify the slavery of other women. I'm tired of you who call yourselves religious but are really just secret nihilists who don't really give a **** about what happens to real women and girls in the real world. No, you've received a message from a cloud and now everyone must suffer for your inhuman piety. Shame on your both. I hope you do die laughing. I'm sure they'll throw a parade for you in heaven.

Stop scaring the little children.
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My granny warned me about Hell at an early age. When I was innocent, she gave me a stupid, cruel make believe world where I was never good enough and destined for horrific punishment if I didn't sacrifice myself to a bronze age carpenter. You guys stop scaring children first and the world might be good enough to bring them in to.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Has anyone looked for evidence on what the reality is?

See that is the problem with statements like this....

They could be deliberately deceptive.
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Actually the study took many studies worldwide and the methodology used and that was the conclusion of the study.

You are free download and read the 2008 study yourself.

https://www.reproductiverights.org/document/report-of-apa-task-force-on-mental-health-and-abortion


Also:

According to 44 studies conducted worldwide from 1990 to 2011 that included several million women...
women with unwanted pregnancies who had abortions did not suffer more than those who gave birth.

Abortion Not A Mental Health Risk But Unwanted Pregnancies Are, Studies Find

Among women with unwanted pregnancies, those who had abortions were no more likely to suffer from problems including anxiety or depression than women who gave birth, the analysis by the U.K.'s National Collaborating Centre for Mental Health found.
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Mental Health and Abortion Task Force Report
 
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minnie616 said:
Actually the study took many studies worldwide and the methodology used and that was the conclusion of the study.

You are free download and read the 2008 study yourself.

https://www.reproductiverights.org/document/report-of-apa-task-force-on-mental-health-and-abortion


Also:

According to 44 studies conducted worldwide from 1990 to 2011 that included several million women...
women with unwanted pregnancies who had abortions did not suffer more than those who gave birth.



Mental Health and Abortion Task Force Report
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Thanx
 
year2late said:
I have known 2 women that have given up children for adoption.

One suffers to this day (4 decades ago)She sought connection and was denied. She has had multiple depressive episodes. All that she really wants is to know her child had a happy healthy upbringing.

The other culturally was not allowed to have a child out of wedlock. Essentially distant relatives care for her daughter (in the Philippines) and she was made to come to US to be a nurse and send large amounts of support money back to family. She is not allowed to see the daughter. If she does not comply, the rest of the family will "suffer" and her child will not be allowed decent education (whatever that means). The man who knocked her up suffers no such treatment and is thought well of within the community. She is beyond depressed and would love to be with her child. She prays her child is happy and is not being brainwashed against her.
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Very sad situation. :(

The woman who birthed me used to have nightmares that I would show up at her door freaking out at her for giving me up.
 
It seems incredibly hypocritical and even dishonest to pretend to be worried about a woman's state of mind after an abortion and her long term mental health, and not give a damn...usually even dismiss...a woman's mental and physical health if forced to remain pregnant and have a kid they dont want or cant afford. Or have to give up for adoption. Nor the impacts the sacrifices will make on her ability to get a better job, develop a career, properly raise the kids she already has, etc. Not to consider how it may feel to have to go on welfare or to live in poverty, even short term.

Not only do many dismiss a woman's 'feelings' about having to remain pregnant or be a mother, they often even refer to her having to 'face the consequences of her actions' and treat it like punishment...the kid is her punishment. And THIS is more acceptable than a woman risking regrets after an abortion? :roll:
 
Mountainmanbob said:
I have.
Many broken hearted ones there.
Don't be fooled by the world and the devil.
M-Bob
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There was one in Fremont, Ca. I used to bring the old ladies picketing donuts. At first they were suspicious, but hell, who passes up a good donut. After that, they’d be looking for me!
 
Lursa said:
It seems incredibly hypocritical and even dishonest to pretend to be worried about a woman's state of mind after an abortion and her long term mental health, and not give a damn...usually even dismiss...a woman's mental and physical health if forced to remain pregnant and have a kid they dont want or cant afford. Or have to give up for adoption. Nor the impacts the sacrifices will make on her ability to get a better job, develop a career, properly raise the kids she already has, etc. Not to consider how it may feel to have to go on welfare or to live in poverty, even short term.

Not only do many dismiss a woman's 'feelings' about having to remain pregnant or be a mother, they often even refer to her having to 'face the consequences of her actions' and treat it like punishment...the kid is her punishment. And THIS is more acceptable than a woman risking regrets after an abortion? :roll:
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I know this doesn't fit your narrative but there are women who are pressured to have abortions
 
Mountainmanbob said:
https://savethestorks.com/2017/07/woman-commits-suicide-just-hours-abortion/
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Mountainmanbob said:
Women who have had an abortion have a 225% more chance to commit suicide.
Yes, that tells us something.
M-Bob
Abortion and Suicide | The Life Resources Charitable Trust
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Youll need better and legit sources if you want people to take you seriously LMAO

Have you ever been to a giving birth support group . . those exist too :shrug:

neither of them matter to rights and laws though :)

oh yeah, and what does your "claimed" stat factually tell us?
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Stopandthink said:
I know this doesn't fit your narrative but there are women who are pressured to have abortions
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Does that justify it being illegal? Women and girls get pressured in to sex too. Hey, I have an idea, let's teach young women to follow their own hearts rather than superstition and empower them to CHOOSE IF they want to have sex and if they want to procreate.

The sad thing is, there is an organized effort by religious fanatics to stand outside clinics and abuse girls. There is no group that stands outside the OBGYN, trying to force women to consider abortion.

There is NO equivance here.
 
Mountainmanbob said:
Women who have had an abortion have a 225% more chance to commit suicide.
Yes, that tells us something.
M-Bob
Abortion and Suicide | The Life Resources Charitable Trust
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So, the brilliant right wing answer is to make abortion illegal and, thus, dangerous to women, making the act of receiving an abortion a sort of suicide by proxy.

You seem to be saying that they kill themselves out of self loathing, due to their choice of terminating their pregnancy. How can you know that?

Maybe the reason they have abortions is that their lives are already ****ty and they know they aren't fit to be a good parent. Would you prefer it if women procreate before they kill themselves? Maybe the abortion is the single responsible act of their lives.

Another possibility is that women who have abortions are not beholding to the magical morality of theists. Maybe they feel, truly, like their bodies and lives are their own. Maybe they prefer that statistic to the ones where women give birth to children they don't love, with all the negative consequences thereof, so an invisible Jesus, and his community of half wits, doesn't put a frowny face on their spiritual report card.

There's lots of possibilities you haven't considered.
 
Mountainmanbob said:
Women who have had an abortion have a 225% more chance to commit suicide.
Yes, that tells us something.
M-Bob
Abortion and Suicide | The Life Resources Charitable Trust
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False.

The methodology in your life resources article was flawed.

From a May 2018 article:


Study Debunks Anti-Choice Claims of Link Between Abortion and Suicide

Previous research has shown that pregnant people who have abortions exhibit higher risk factors for suicidal thoughts than pregnant people who carry a pregnancy to term, said Dr. Antonia Biggs, a social psychologist researcher at ANSIRH and lead author of the study.

“By comparing two groups of women who sought abortions, this new study shows clearly that abortion does not cause or increase suicidal thoughts or feelings,” Biggs said in a statement.

Anti-choice activists have claimed abortion can independently lead to long-term psychological effects, despite a lack of medical evidence.
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https://rewire.news/article/2018/05/25/study-debunks-anti-choice-claims-link-abortion-suicide/
 
D_NATURED said:
1)Does that justify it being illegal? Women and girls get pressured in to sex too. 2)Hey, I have an idea, let's teach young women to follow their own hearts rather than superstition and empower them to CHOOSE IF they want to have sex and if they want to procreate.

3)The sad thing is, there is an organized effort by religious fanatics to stand outside clinics and abuse girls. There is no group that stands outside the OBGYN, trying to force women to consider abortion.

There is NO equivance here.
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1) the point you missed was not ALL abortions are a result of a calm, well thought out process. Which is why some women need a support group
2) or we can give honest guidance to our young people about how to handle sex responsibly
3) I’ve noticed you can’t post anything without hatred for religion. All I can say is I’m sorry for whatever caused that



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SDET said:
So 3 % of women have a conscience. I'm not surprised.
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nice misogyny
luckily your feelings dont matter nor do they represent reality lol
 
Stopandthink said:
I know this doesn't fit your narrative but there are women who are pressured to have abortions
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I agree with that. Alot. But it rarely means anything in this sub-forum where women are often viewed as the 'bad guys' and sluts and the men that get them that way get a pass.

I dont ever bring it up because IMO, a woman IS absolutely and ultimately responsible for her own health, bodily sovereignty, and reproduction. She cant use pressure from men as an excuse. And if she does, he's still wrong but if she regrets it, she had the power to not give in.

Yeah, I'm familiar with men coercing women into having abortions....ever listen to Tom Lykiss? He recommends the "Hail Mary."

And we just had a couple of very long-running threads recommending men opting out of fatherhood BEFORE the birth in order to influence women's decisions on whether to keep the baby (they'd be clear that they wouldnt be around and wouldnt pay).
 
Stopandthink said:
1) the point you missed was not ALL abortions are a result of a calm, well thought out process. Which is why some women need a support group
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Well, I hope somebody in the group makes the very logical point to these women and girls that it's better to err on the side of caution when the alternative is to produce a child who is unloved, brought carelessly into the world by someone with no plan or ability to care for it. Hopefully, the group isn't just a venue for some idiot to justify the unnecessary guilt of women.

2) or we can give honest guidance to our young people about how to handle sex responsibly
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Sure, honest guidance along with condoms, birth control pills and abortion rights for when they, inevitably, **** up. Every mistake of a young person's life needn't be a lifelong tragedy for someone else. That sort of religious "tough love" would seem less tough and more loving if they didn't excuse it with magic. The actual logical justifications for abortion rights far outweigh the logical reasons against it.

3) I’ve noticed you can’t post anything without hatred for religion. All I can say is I’m sorry for whatever caused that
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Thanks for the apology, but it was my Pentecostal granny who started my distaste for not religion alone but the spiritual entitlement to harm others and to imagine an alternative reality that excuses them from any responsibility to this one. I really don't have nearly the beef with Buddhists, for instance, as I do with evangelical Christians or Muslims. When the religious infect OUR secular politics with subjective, magical bull****, they earn my ire and it's not out of proportion to the harm they do.

I regret that you are naïve enough to think they are harmless or, god forbid (pun intended), right. You forgive too much.
 
Mountainmanbob said:
You seem to be complaining, why don't you be the one that goes and starts one of those groups?

M-Bob
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Ah, the old "play stupid" strategy. Do you really want to stick with that response? I was articulating the difference, in the sense of entitlement to harm, that the religious allow themselves. The very idea of CHOICE does not mean a religious mandate, a "righteous" religious jihad against women. Get it? No, I guess not.
 
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