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Abortion and the Second Amendment

Bodhisattva said:
The US Constitution...
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*A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.*

Nope, not there. Try again
 
hanger4 said:
*A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.*

Nope, not there. Try again
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Sure is... it is an ablative absolute. The Founders were quite adept at Latin.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Sure is... it is an ablative absolute. The Founders were quite adept at Latin.
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Then you're claiming the "militia" the "people" are interchangable and they're not, they separate entities.
 
hanger4 said:
Then you're claiming the "militia" the "people" are interchangable and they're not, they separate entities.
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I am not... I am saying that the Founders meant that the people that own guns are the militia... because that is what they obviously wrote.
 
Re: Abofrtion and the Second Amendment

Bodhisattva said:
I am not... I am saying that the Founders meant that the people that own guns are the militia... because that is what they obviously wrote.
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There were a lot of people that owned guns that were not in the militia, so no.
 
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hanger4 said:
There were a lot of people that owned guns that were not in the militia, so no.
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Wrong... they were/are all a part of the militia... they just never served due to SCOTUS ****ing up their interpretation...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Wrong... they were/are all a part of the militia... they just never served due to SCOTUS ****ing up their interpretation...
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When did SCOTUS do this ****ing of their interpretation ??
 
Re: Abofrtion and the Second Amendment

hanger4 said:
When did SCOTUS do this ****ing of their interpretation ??
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When they ruled that gun ownership was individual...
 
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hanger4 said:
I did ask when ??
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I don't care about when... I care that this is a bogus argument.
 
Re: Abofrtion and the Second Amendment

Bodhisattva said:
I don't care about when... I care that this is a bogus argument.
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I agree, your argument is bogus, owning arms didn't automatically enroll one in the militia.

The militia acts of 1792, 1862 and 1903 were specific as to who was in the militia.
 
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hanger4 said:
I agree, your argument is bogus, owning arms didn't automatically enroll one in the militia.

The militia acts of 1792, 1862 and 1903 were specific as to who was in the militia.
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Militia Acts can not over turn the Constitution of the United States...
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Militia Acts can not over turn the Constitution of the United States...
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The "militia" and the "people" are separate entities.
 
Re: Abofrtion and the Second Amendment

hanger4 said:
The "militia" and the "people" are separate entities.
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Not when they buy a gun... when the people buy and own a gun they are part of the militia.

It is in the 2nd. It is an ablative absolute. I already stated these facts.
 
Re: Abofrtion and the Second Amendment

Bodhisattva said:
Not when they buy a gun... when the people buy and own a gun they are part of the militia.

It is in the 2nd. It is an ablative absolute. I already stated these facts.
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No, you've stated your opinion.
 
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I started this topic, and it has been hijacked, please close the topic and lock it.
 
Re: Abofrtion and the Second Amendment

hanger4 said:
No, you've stated your opinion.
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Incorrect. I can read and understand how the ablative absolute affects the meaning of the Amendment. Like I said the Founders were educated men and Latin was something that would have been very familiar for them... they incorporated it. No big deal. I am not out to ban guns or anything but those claiming that it is an individual right are incorrect due to ignorance or fear of gun grabbers. Either way I don't care... they are wrong. Just a fact. End of story. :shrug:
 
The abortion debate has nothing to do with the second amendment, more to do with the first, as opposition to abortion rights come primarily as a religious exercise, whereby the religious seek to exercise their imagined authority over women.

I have always said, though, if abortions were performed with some kind of firearm, the right wing would self destruct from the logical contortions required to maintain both the love of oppressing women and the desire for unrestricted gun rights.

As it is now, these hypocrites who describe themselves as pro-life AND pro GUN are already walking a magical, extremely weak intellectual tightrope.
 
If we're going to compare abortion to the Amendments, it's a 13th Amendment issue.
 
Atheist 2020 said:
If you want a Bernie Sanders utopia of people making $15 an hour. You just pass a law saying any woman making less then $15 an hour you cannot have a baby. America should stop looking at Europe as a utopia ideology. They should look at the positive policies of China, and America should become the next China.
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Never gonna happen.China's population is a country in which almost all citizens are Chinese.They are on the same page for the most part.America is a melting pot....a pot in which the ingredients come from all cultures and creeds,and we can't agree on much of anything these days.Then,of course,there is that dictator issue most true American Patriots will never embrace.
 
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