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Netflix Airs ‘Salute to Abortion;’ Host Declares: ‘God Bless Abortions!” --

Renae said:
Because we see the unborn as human beings being slaughtered.
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People imagine unicorns too. Doesnt make them real.

That's just self-indulgence to stoke your self-righteous outrage.

Your mind and certainly your politics dont belong in other women's wombs. That's creepy and ghoulish and reeks of "Big Govt" interfering in people's daily lives.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
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Yikes, celebrating abortions? How very disgusting. How far the left has come from, "Safe, legal and rare."
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Ya know, I don't open video links usually, but I had to look at that one. No sound, for some reason, but what I saw was clearly, obviously satire. What did you see?
 
Renae said:
Children are a gift, a miracle, a life. An unborn human is the most innocent life we have and the most in need of our help. I cannot subscribe to any belief that says otherwise.
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This is nothing but emotion. Women that need an abortion either dont feel that way OR if they do, then the necessity driving their decision is just made more painful.

You dont have to subscribe to anything, you just need to not desire (vote) to force women to subscribe to your way of thinking.
 
Renae said:
Because we see the unborn as human beings being slaughtered.
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But ignore the woman human being and her rights . . .so sad
 
Renae said:
Because we see the unborn as human beings being slaughtered.
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So, do you think making abortion illegal will stop abortions?
Of course you don't, nobody thinks that. Making abortion illegal will cut down on the number of abortions though, won't it. But there will still be abortions, illegal ones. Right? If making abortions illegal won't stop abortions, what will it do?
You know what will happen, and you prefer that option. Some women (women? Girls, lots of them will be girls) driven to backalley procedures is the acceptable price of saving some other fetuses. Especially since there's so many kind hearts and gentle people like you willing to adopt a baby born into dire poverty and an empty future.
 
Renae said:
Life/health of the child or mother. Rape.

Even then, if my wife, my 18 year old daughter or either of my sisters were to be faced with that choice, depending I would encourage them to carry to term unless their lives were literally on the line or the child was malformed.

Rape being the one area that as much as it tears my soul, as a rape victim I understand how asking someone to carry the child of their rapist to term is a bridge too far.

It's not an easy subject, and I get YOUR SIDE of the discussion, I really do understand it. I just reject abortion unless there is NEED.

Children are a gift, a miracle, a life. An unborn human is the most innocent life we have and the most in need of our help. I cannot subscribe to any belief that says otherwise. It goes against my moral beliefs, my religious beliefs, my core principles and my humanity.

I know that having a child when not ready is not an easy choice, and I'm not saying women should stop having sex, or that they are the only party responsible, and it is their body, I get that.

But when you're pregnant, you're sharing your body, with a life you helped to create, how can you even consider ending it for anything short of the most dire circumstances?
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If abortion is murder when it's done for convenience, I don't see how the baby being conceived by rape turns an abortion into "not murder".

To save the life of the mother, I guess you could call it "self-defense" so it would be "justifiable homicide" within your framework where you give personhood to the unborn. But I don't see how you call most elective abortions murder but say it is not murder to terminate a fetus just because the fetus was the result of rape.
 
Grand Mal said:
So, do you think making abortion illegal will stop abortions?
Of course you don't, nobody thinks that. Making abortion illegal will cut down on the number of abortions though, won't it. But there will still be abortions, illegal ones. Right? If making abortions illegal won't stop abortions, what will it do?
You know what will happen, and you prefer that option. Some women (women? Girls, lots of them will be girls) driven to backalley procedures is the acceptable price of saving some other fetuses. Especially since there's so many kind hearts and gentle people like you willing to adopt a baby born into dire poverty and an empty future.
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It's more about punishing women for behavior they dont approve of for most pro-life men and women.

Most accept abortion in cases or rape, incest, or to save the mother's life.

But not if the mother makes a choice in the best interests of her own future or that of her family.

So clearly, if it's not the woman's fault, abortion is acceptable.

If the woman decides she needs an abortion, then it is her fault and she should be punished and not allowed to do what is in her own best interests.
 
Renae said:
Life/health of the child or mother. Rape.

Even then, if my wife, my 18 year old daughter or either of my sisters were to be faced with that choice, depending I would encourage them to carry to term unless their lives were literally on the line or the child was malformed.

Rape being the one area that as much as it tears my soul, as a rape victim I understand how asking someone to carry the child of their rapist to term is a bridge too far.

It's not an easy subject, and I get YOUR SIDE of the discussion, I really do understand it. I just reject abortion unless there is NEED.

Children are a gift, a miracle, a life. An unborn human is the most innocent life we have and the most in need of our help. I cannot subscribe to any belief that says otherwise. It goes against my moral beliefs, my religious beliefs, my core principles and my humanity.

I know that having a child when not ready is not an easy choice, and I'm not saying women should stop having sex, or that they are the only party responsible, and it is their body, I get that.

But when you're pregnant, you're sharing your body, with a life you helped to create, how can you even consider ending it for anything short of the most dire circumstances?
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Amelia said:
If abortion is murder when it's done for convenience, I don't see how the baby being conceived by rape turns an abortion into "not murder".

To save the life of the mother, I guess you could call it "self-defense" so it would be "justifiable homicide" within your framework where you give personhood to the unborn. But I don't see how you call most elective abortions murder but say it is not murder to terminate a fetus just because the fetus was the result of rape.
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Also, I don't see how "health of the mother" turns abortion from murder to not-murder. Where do you draw the line? How much or how permanent of an impact on health does the pregnancy need to have before aborting the fetus changes from murder to not-murder.
 
Lursa said:
It's more about punishing women for behavior they dont approve of for most pro-life men and women.

Most accept abortion in cases or rape, incest, or to save the mother's life.

But not if the mother makes a choice in the best interests of her own future or that of her family.

So clearly, if it's not the woman's fault, abortion is acceptable.

If the woman decides she needs an abortion, then it is her fault and she should be punished and not allowed to do what is in her own best interests.
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How about this? We take away a single woman's right to an abortion and replace it with sterilization of the father of her child. Take the onus for responsibility and put it on the man.
Make it one or the other. Either the woman is entitled to an abortion or the man gets snipped. See how that'll fly.
 
Grand Mal said:
How about this? We take away a single woman's right to an abortion and replace it with sterilization of the father of her child. Take the onus for responsibility and put it on the man.
Make it one or the other. Either the woman is entitled to an abortion or the man gets snipped. See how that'll fly.
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Heh. I prefer the idea that the consequences of the pregnancy be shared equally. If the woman misses work time because of morning sickness, so does the man and he has an emetic shoved down his throat so he pukes. If the woman loses a kidney due to kidney failure during the pregnancy, so does the man. If the woman misses too much work due to pregnancy issue and loses her job, so does the man. If the woman dies during childbirth, we kill the guy.

I mean, it seems like pregnancy and childbirth are 'nothing,' why do women complain? If that's the case, let the man really share it.

The sacrifices required by every single woman in every single pregnancy are taken for granted by our society...because it's always been that way and there's no other way to have a kid. And women who want a child willingly undergo it, to their great credit. But to force that on women? Disgusting IMO.
 
Lursa said:
Heh. I prefer the idea that the consequences of the pregnancy be shared equally. If the woman misses work time because of morning sickness, so does the man and he has an emetic shoved down his throat so he pukes. If the woman loses a kidney due to kidney failure during the pregnancy, so does the man. If the woman misses too much work due to pregnancy issue and loses her job, so does the man. If the woman dies during childbirth, we kill the guy.

I mean, it seems like pregnancy and childbirth are 'nothing,' why do women complain? If that's the case, let the man really share it.

The sacrifices required by every single woman in every single pregnancy are taken for granted by our society...because it's always been that way and there's no other way to have a kid. And women who want a child willingly undergo it, to their great credit. But to force that on women? Disgusting IMO.
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One small step in the right direction would be free or heavily-subsidised child care. There's no way, none, that a young single woman can get off welfare while caring for a child. It's impossible, and it shouldn't be. Maybe peg it to income- government-subsidised child care that costs 5% of her income.
That right there would reduce abortions. But a conservative would slobber on his chin getting the word, "Socialism!" out.
 
Grand Mal said:
One small step in the right direction would be free or heavily-subsidised child care. There's no way, none, that a young single woman can get off welfare while caring for a child. It's impossible, and it shouldn't be. Maybe peg it to income- government-subsidised child care that costs 5% of her income.
That right there would reduce abortions. But a conservative would slobber on his chin getting the word, "Socialism!" out.
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Agreed.

I post a link all the time showing that for every $1 spent on subsidized birth control and other family planning services, the govt would save $7 in public assistance & other costs down the road.

Many pro-lifers scoff at the source rather than accept it. It's a pretty neutral source.
 
Just further proof liberals support abortions, not just abortion rights.
 
Lursa said:
Agreed.

I post a link all the time showing that for every $1 spent on subsidized birth control and other family planning services, the govt would save $7 in public assistance & other costs down the road.

Many pro-lifers scoff at the source rather than accept it. It's a pretty neutral source.
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Are you sure it is disagreeing with the claim and not not caring about these down range costs?
 
Bucky said:
Too bad the baby doesn't get a say in such matter.
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well a fetus cant speak... and if your not capable of accepting moral judgments concerning when it ok to end a potential human life or not; you're not adult enough to compel any women to go through with a pregnancy.
 
KerouacJack said:
well a fetus cant speak... and if your not capable of accepting moral judgments concerning when it ok to end a potential human life or not; you're not adult enough to compel any women to go through with a pregnancy.
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A fetus may not be able to speak but they certainly can communicate.

So, mutes are not deserving to the right of life either?
 
Bucky said:
A fetus may not be able to speak but they certainly can communicate.

So, mutes are not deserving to the right of life either?
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so how does a fetus communicate?

you think because both mute people and fetuses can't speak they are equivalent in their faculties?
 
Renae said:
I didn't, I won't and it was disgusting.
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Lady, you are an interesting character. You didn't but it was disgusting? Sounds like prom night for Trump's date.
 
Bucky said:
Just further proof liberals support abortions, not just abortion rights.
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What an idiotic post. The stupidity is nearly painful.
I mean, wait a minute, shouldn't liberals want more abysmally poverty-stricken voters be cranked out like bunny-rabbit litters to vote the Democratic slate?
You guys are giving conservatism the bad name everyone around the world knows it by. No thought, just knee-jerk low-functioning schoolyard name-calling.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Are you sure it is disagreeing with the claim and not not caring about these down range costs?
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Yes because I generally bring it up in that context

And the general position of the conservative is to object to paying for those costs...all of them (the costs).

But there are exceptions, of course.
 
Amelia said:
If abortion is murder when it's done for convenience, I don't see how the baby being conceived by rape turns an abortion into "not murder".

To save the life of the mother, I guess you could call it "self-defense" so it would be "justifiable homicide" within your framework where you give personhood to the unborn. But I don't see how you call most elective abortions murder but say it is not murder to terminate a fetus just because the fetus was the result of rape.
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Well I gave you my views, I'm sorry you don't like them or that they don't fit what you want to hear. You go ahead and justify supporting the death of innocent children for convenience and politics, I'm quite content with my stance on abortion and will support the cause to over turn Roe Vs Wade for both women and the unborn
 
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