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How long did it take you to develop your current stance on abortion? Give us your reasons

Bodhisattva said:
Wrong.

Murder is a legal term. Murder is defined as a person being killed. That is a fact. There is no dispute that it must be a person. There is no agreeing to disagree. You are free to disagree wit hthe facts all you like... but that only makes you wrong.

You are free to have the last word if you like...
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as a legal technicality, you are correct. But in common usage it can be applied widely and denotes senseless killing. As in, "killing a thousand wild Mustangs is just murder". Some people consider killing any animals to be a type of murder, as they believe all animals have as much right to live as humans do. So try to think outside the box, and less about getting a "gotcha" on a technicality. A nice way of diverting from the real issues, though.
 
Waddy said:
as a legal technicality, you are correct. But in common usage it can be applied widely and denotes senseless killing. As in, "killing a thousand wild Mustangs is just murder". Some people consider killing any animals to be a type of murder, as they believe all animals have as much right to live as humans do. So try to think outside the box, and less about getting a "gotcha" on a technicality. A nice way of diverting from the real issues, though.
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Then you must support the meat is murder mantra of PETA
 
vegas giants said:
Then you must support the meat is murder mantra of PETA
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No, but I do respect their viewpoint. And I do not believe in hunting for sport or trophy, only for what you need. And appreciate the sacrifice nature makes so you can live.
 
Waddy said:
No, but I do respect their viewpoint. And I do not believe in hunting for sport or trophy, only for what you need. And appreciate the sacrifice nature makes so you can live.
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Respect anything you like. I respect the pro choice viewpoint
 
Waddy said:
But in common usage it can be applied widely and denotes senseless killing. As in, "killing a thousand wild Mustangs is just murder". Some people consider killing any animals to be a type of murder, as they believe all animals have as much right to live as humans do. So try to think outside the box, and less about getting a "gotcha" on a technicality. A nice way of diverting from the real issues, though.
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Killing animals is not murder so I am not concerned with people that use slang terms incorrectly...

as a legal technicality, you are correct.
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Yes. I am...
 
vegas giants said:
Yeah me too. But I sure love cheeseburgers so I don't let it get in the way of that
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Too many cheeseburgers has certainly got in the way of life often enough..... :)
 
Waddy said:
Too many cheeseburgers has certainly got in the way of life often enough..... :)
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Yeah....respect for life does not get in the way of eating cheeseburgers
 
I had no opinion until a 1989 Supreme Court case. I saw a protester's sign that gave me an epiphany as I watched. The sign read: "My body. My baby. My choice." It was at that point I realized that the woman holding the sign would be killing her baby if she had an abortion.
 
PragmaticOne said:
I had no opinion until a 1989 Supreme Court case. I saw a protester's sign that gave me an epiphany as I watched. The sign read: "My body. My baby. My choice." It was at that point I realized that the woman holding the sign would be killing her baby if she had an abortion.
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Wow, what did you think abortion was before that?:roll:

However no babies are killed in abortions. Maybe you'll be less upset if you recognize that and stop trying so hard to imagine some actual baby in there, cooing and playing with a rattle.

97.5% of all abortions consist of flushing the pea-sized unborn painlessly from the womb. The rest are medically necessary. Are you against medically necessary abortions?
 
I've found there has been a direct correlation to my aging and being pro-life.

I guess I can't say that I can point to any one particular argument or instance that has changed my position over the years. What I can say, however, is that when I was more on the pro-choice side as a younger individual, my assumptions about abortion were very ill-informed and simplistic. Mind, I'm not implying that all people who are pro-choice fall victim to these particular faults, but I know that to be true in my specific experience. I think, fundamentally, it comes down to a philosophical argument. You have to be willing to decide whether what you're killing is "a bundle of cells" or a potential human life. For myself, I find it very difficult to disassociate myself enough to say that it doesn't count as a potential human life.

The arguments about "my body, my choice": I understand these, but I don't find them to be particularly applicable. When you're discussing tattoos, body modifications, drugs, etc. - I'm with you. There is in my mind a difference, however, when you start introducing the existence of a completely separate life.
 
Cap said:
I've found there has been a direct correlation to my aging and being pro-life.

I guess I can't say that I can point to any one particular argument or instance that has changed my position over the years. What I can say, however, is that when I was more on the pro-choice side as a younger individual, my assumptions about abortion were very ill-informed and simplistic. Mind, I'm not implying that all people who are pro-choice fall victim to these particular faults, but I know that to be true in my specific experience. I think, fundamentally, it comes down to a philosophical argument. You have to be willing to decide whether what you're killing is "a bundle of cells" or a potential human life. For myself, I find it very difficult to disassociate myself enough to say that it doesn't count as a potential human life.

The arguments about "my body, my choice": I understand these, but I don't find them to be particularly applicable. When you're discussing tattoos, body modifications, drugs, etc. - I'm with you. There is in my mind a difference, however, when you start introducing the existence of a completely separate life.
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Interesting. The older I get (58), the more I empathize with the sacrifices and difficulties women must make to do a good job raising their kids, esp if there's not a father in the picture. And the sacrifices they make during pregnancy to take care of their current families, keep their jobs, try to develop a real career, better themselves for a better life for themselves and their families. When I was young, I had tons of energy and thought it would be a breeze. The reality is very different.

To me, it should still just be a choice the woman decides to make (not that you wrote differently), for her future and that of her family. I dont think you have to devalue the unborn and dehumanize it. But just that each individual woman should decide what's right for her. I value the unborn, but I value the born more.

Maybe it's just that I see so many poorly-raised kids? Of course I cannot relate that to abortion, but certainly, if a couple/woman arent committed to putting all their resources into raising a family, IMO we're all better off if they dont.
 
PragmaticOne said:
I had no opinion until a 1989 Supreme Court case. I saw a protester's sign that gave me an epiphany as I watched. The sign read: "My body. My baby. My choice." It was at that point I realized that the woman holding the sign would be killing her baby if she had an abortion.
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Yes, we read that earlier. What I dont get is how you didnt realize that before?

What did you think abortion was?
 
I became pro abortion during 1985. Women do not have a right to be with child. If you do not have the ability to raise a child, you will have a abortion.
 
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