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Clarifying Time Line - Conception to Birth - DRAW THE LINE OF LIFE

MrWonderful said:
Tell that to your wife when she develops a belly. "That's no baby." Tell her that. Tell yourself that it isn't your son or daughter UNTIL the day of birth.
That is the most asinine statement I have ever heard, only becoming a "person" when the first breath is taken. Men are in prison for murdering unborn babies.
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You are blatantly ignoring post #95.
 
A wise man fears and departs from evil, but the fool rages and is confident. - Proverbs
 
MrWonderful said:
Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering two people, his wife Lacey, and his unborn son, Connor.
That's the U.S. law. Murder.
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More of your uneducated drivel. learn the difference between state and federal laws.
 
Casper said:
Where do you live? Clue: for most people, it located someplace above the neck.

Nope, but you do not seem to have thought out your nonsensical argument what so ever. Good luck with that.
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Many on your side of the argument, as an example, make that point entirely a subjective question. Secondly, how many "persons" do you know living as only a head or brain?

Probably the closest example of that could be epotomised by Stephen Hawking... after his diagnosis with ALS... still, he needed a functioning body to survive to be that "person". They are the unit together necessary to be a person.
 
I hope the OP knows that some like myself view that a human doesn't become a person until years after birth when significant mental faculties like theory of mind and rationality come in and that's roughly around 3 years of age. That's my line.

I'm fine with abortion throughout the full 9 months and I'm fine with infanticide.
 
MrWonderful said:
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CONCEPTION________________________________________________________BIRTH


Draw a vertical mark on the above time line showing where, in YOUR opinion, there is a person, a human to the right side of the mark you drew, and NOT a person, NOT a human to the left side of your mark.

Now explain to the very second how immediately left of your mark, it is NOT human, but a nanosecond later, it IS human, a real person.

This is an electrifying concept, this precise time you choose.


"Before you were conceived in the womb, I knew you." - The Holy Bible
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And so nobody has drawn a vertical line and split the second. Nobody.

One said "around six months." My, what precision. Hundreds of babies have been born earlier than six months of gestation. Probably thousands.
Moreover, Scott Peterson was convicted of murdering his unborn son, Connor.
Father does it, "murder." Mother (sick) does it, "choice."

Leftists lie, and use rhetoric in place of science and common sense, nothing more. They are destroying America, families, and countless lives.
Transgender is their latest lunacy. It's simply another one-word oxymoron.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
That won't hold up in court. Your hyper emotional state wouldn't help you, either.

The "Men are in prison for murdering unborn babies" thing was dealt with in an earlier post.
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And the "court" is inerrant? Slavery was just fine when it was legal in America? You're pretending to be "rational" and "sensible"?

I'm stating fact after fact, and making challenges you can't handle. That doesn't make me "hyper emotional" (sic). Stop projecting.

It is a fact that men are in prison for murdering unborn babies. You just don't like my bringing it up. Your emotions control you as they do virtually all Leftists.
Antifa is a great example. So are the wailing, squalling losers seen on videos the night Hillary lost the election she so confidently looked forward to winning.

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Call the question

MrWonderful said:
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& you're quoting Passport Magazine (the Gay Lesbian Travel Magazine?) on Sanger being racist? Politics does make strange bedfellows, but I'm surprised that the Gay Lesbian community would go after Sanger. Why would they do that, do you suppose?
 
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southwest88 said:
& you're quoting Passport Magazine (the Gay Lesbian Travel Magazine?) on Sanger being racist? Politics does make strange bedfellows, but I'm surprised that the Gay Lesbian community would go after Sanger. Why would they do that, do you suppose?
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I also find it odd that MrWonderful is quoting Passport Magazine.
Passport Magazine has articles for gay travelers in it.

Editorial Reviews

The premier travel magazine targeted towards the gay and lesbian reader with in-depth, intelligent and sometimes humorous travel features. Columns include best destinations, helpful hints and a special section dedicated to the gay and lesbian business traveler.
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MrWonderful said:
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CONCEPTION________________________________________________________BIRTH


Draw a vertical mark on the above time line showing where, in YOUR opinion, there is a person, a human to the right side of the mark you drew, and NOT a person, NOT a human to the left side of your mark.

Now explain to the very second how immediately left of your mark, it is NOT human, but a nanosecond later, it IS human, a real person.

2.) This is an electrifying concept, this precise time you choose.

3.) Medical doctors, scientists, define death as when a human heart stops beating permanently.
4.) Is not the other side of this determination when a human STARTS beating permanently?

5.)What would you say of a man who DEMANDED that his mistress abort their child? Wouldn't you be against it? Steve McQueen MADE Ali McGraw get an abortion when she wanted to have their baby. What a louse McQueen was.

6.)The opposite of that situation is when a man begs his mistress to have their child, and instead she walks into the abortion clinic and has it murdered.
7.) My brother was a security guard and he saw such men, crying, begging for their children. The fathers have no rights, whether they lose their child, or whether they pay child support for 18 years. No "CHOICE." Neither do 4 grandparents have any choice, any say-so.
8.) Most crucial of all, the baby itself has no CHOICE.
9.) And it is NOT his mother's body that is being murdered. It is the baby's body. Unique DNA.
10.) "Before you were conceived in the womb, I knew you." - The Holy Bible
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1.) weird because this stuff has nothing to do with opinions

FACTS

-in all stages its always human (adj)
- from embryo on its always a human (noun), before that well not even all embryologist agree that it fits that description of human being
- Person is a human construct and has multiple GENERAL meanings . . in a general person can = human being but person/person-hood has in the legal construct refers to a born individual

2.) not for me because i understand the fact i dont get to choose, facts do.
3.) theres more to it than that
4.) factually no
5.) nobody has any rights to force another person to abort
6.) thats not the opposite at all see #5 nor is it murder
7.) Correct nobody has the right to force somebody else to have or not have a child and thats they way it will stay. As far as child support i agree those rules should change to make it legal equal in that regard but that has nothing to do with abortion.
8.) Correct the baby has no choice :shrug whats the alternative? give the born already viable woman who is a citizen and has rights no say?
9.) again there is no murder
10.) that quote has nothing to do with facts

you didnt think this through at all did you? maybe study up a LOT better on this topic and come back when you are educated on it.

LMAO i see this is an old thread i missed . . might as well copy my old reply since it still stands. :)

AGENT J said:
WOw so much intellectual dishonesty in one post
"Murdered" LMAO

its always HUMAN (adjective)
its not always a HUMAN (noun) as science doesn't even agree when, they all do agree at fetus though.
its not a person legal construct until the law says
no, a heart beat is not life, it was living before the heart by defintion

NOBODY has the right to force a women to abort and NOBODY has the right to force a women to not abort with in the law.
A man should have opt out ability to make the laws equal

the holy bible whether i or you believe in it or not is also meaningless to the discussion
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southwest88 said:
//// M. Sanger was one of very few people in that time & place, willing to work with whoever presented themselves & asked for services.
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"Services", meaning murdering an unborn baby, when it was illegal to do so.....
And no, nothing was taken out of context. You simply are embarrassed by the facts, so you spin them.
 
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MrWonderful said:
"Services", meaning murdering an unborn baby, when it was illegal to do so.....
And no, nothing was taken out of context. You simply are embarrassed by the facts, so you spin them.
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what facts?, what country are you from, when was abortion ever murder int he US?
 
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AGENT J said:
what facts?, what country are you from, when was abortion ever murder int he US?
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I am an American. Are you unfamiliar with Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision based on perjured testimony?
It legalized abortion which had previously been illegal.

As to what calamity said about not being "at risk for AIDS," homosexuals have given AIDS and other communicable diseases to countless victims, killing many of them.
One homosexual dentist injected his own infected blood in his patients as they sat in his chair. Other homosexuals infected women, and even men by first injecting drugs with needles which were reused by others not infected.
 
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MrWonderful said:
1.) I am an American. Are you unfamiliar with Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision based on perjured testimony?
It legalized abortion which had previously been illegal.

As to what calamity said about not being "at risk for AIDS," homosexuals have given AIDS and other communicable diseases to countless victims, killing many of them.
One homosexual dentist injected his own infected blood in his patients as they sat in his chair. Other homosexuals infected women, and even men by first injecting drugs with needles which were reused by others not infected.
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1.) Ill ask you again
what facts?, when was abortion ever murder int he US?

2.) meaningless to the fact his statement is wrong as to your statement so have hetero sexual :shrug:
there will be no mo on that subject because its not the topic.

try to answer my question this time instead of dodging it
 
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I created the topic and have yet to see anyone draw a line intersecting the time line, as requested, and explain their reasoning therefor.

You don't make the rules in the topic I created, try as you might.
 
Re: Call the question

MrWonderful said:
I created the topic and have yet to see anyone draw a line intersecting the time line, as requested, and explain their reasoning therefor.

You don't make the rules in the topic I created, try as you might.
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I answered it directly in post 3. I didnt create a line on your timeline...it was very clear from my post why, there was no need.

It was oddly worded tho, since the unborn in a human woman is biologically human, Homo sapiens, with human DNA (not matter what anyone's opinion is on that). That's not really up for discussion.

It seems like you are just seeking attention.
 
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MrWonderful said:
"Services", meaning murdering an unborn baby, when it was illegal to do so.....
And no, nothing was taken out of context. You simply are embarrassed by the facts, so you spin them.
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Dude....what makes you think Sanger was pro abortion??

She turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics: “I do not approve of abortion.” She called it “sordid,” “abhorrent,” “terrible,” “barbaric,” a “horror.” She called abortionists “blood-sucking men with MD after their names who perform operations for the price of so-and-so.” She called the results of abortion “an outrageous slaughter,” “infanticide,” “foeticide,” and “the killing of babies.” And Margaret Sanger, who knew a thing or two about contraception, said that birth control “has nothing to do with abortion, it has nothing to do with interfering with or disturbing life after conception has taken place.” Birth control stands alone: “It is the first, last, and final step we all are to take to have real human emancipation
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What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion?
 
Typical misconception

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//// M. Sanger was one of very few people in that time & place, willing to work with whoever presented themselves & asked for services.

MrWonderful said:
"Services", meaning murdering an unborn baby, when it was illegal to do so.....
And no, nothing was taken out of context. You simply are embarrassed by the facts, so you spin them.
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Go back to the actual letter that Sanger wrote to a Black member of the board of that birth control center in a Black neighborhood, as I recall. The point of her letter is the opposite of what it's been edited to resemble.

& FYI, Sanger was opposed to abortion. She thought if the woman or family couldn't support another baby, that the woman should give birth & put the child up for adoption.
 
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MrWonderful said:
I created the topic and have yet to see anyone draw a line intersecting the time line, as requested, and explain their reasoning therefor.

You don't make the rules in the topic I created, try as you might.
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Posting additional lies wont save your failed OP that was proven to be wrong many times by many people . . not to mention it was answered many times LMAO

but talking about questions being run from we've only seen you do that. ill ask one of them again
when was abortion ever murder int he US?
 
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southwest88 said:
riginally Posted by southwest88
//// M. Sanger was one of very few people in that time & place, willing to work with whoever presented themselves & asked for services.



Go back to the actual letter that Sanger wrote to a Black member of the board of that birth control center in a Black neighborhood, as I recall. The point of her letter is the opposite of what it's been edited to resemble.
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Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood, America's foremost baby killer. And you defend it.
The extremism has gotten so out of hand that laws have been passed to allow a full term baby whose abortion was botched to simply die.
A doctor, of all people, says allowing the breathing baby is "the mother's choice."

Dad has nothing to say. He may pay child support for 18 years. Tough. No "choice."
Grandparents may long for their grandchild. Too bad. No "choice" there.
No school "choice." Do what the teachers' unions tell you to do. After all, they vote strictly Democrat and are always supported by their lackeys in congress.
Hypocrites Bill and Hillary, Al and Tipper, Michelle and his husband Barack all sent THEIR children to Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C. while preaching public schools for YOUR kids.
Sickening. America has been on the decline since Leftists took started their Big Lies.


"We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population." - Margaret Sanger, heroine of Democrats across America

Nor have you drawn the intersecting line where YOU claim a baby may no longer be aborted, much less described why you split that particular second. It's a useful exercise that would require courage and thoughtfulness. So Leftists don't even attempt it.
 
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MrWonderful said:
Sanger is the founder of Planned Parenthood, America's foremost baby killer. And you defend it.
The extremism has gotten so out of hand that laws have been passed to allow a full term baby whose abortion was botched to simply die.
A doctor, of all people, says allowing the breathing baby is "the mother's choice."

Dad has nothing to say. He may pay child support for 18 years. Tough. No "choice."
Grandparents may long for their grandchild. Too bad. No "choice" there.
No school "choice." Do what the teachers' unions tell you to do. After all, they vote strictly Democrat and are always supported by their lackeys in congress.
Hypocrites Bill and Hillary, Al and Tipper, Michelle and his husband Barack all sent THEIR children to Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C. while preaching public schools for YOUR kids.
Sickening. America has been on the decline since Leftists took started their Big Lies.


"We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the negro population." - Margaret Sanger, heroine of Democrats across America

Nor have you drawn the intersecting line where YOU claim a baby may no longer be aborted, much less described why you split that particular second. It's a useful exercise that would require courage and thoughtfulness. So Leftists don't even attempt it.
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Interesting....this is about Margaret Sanger with her own words.

She turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics: “I do not approve of abortion.” She called it “sordid,” “abhorrent,” “terrible,” “barbaric,” a “horror.” She called abortionists “blood-sucking men with MD after their names who perform operations for the price of so-and-so.” She called the results of abortion “an outrageous slaughter,” “infanticide,” “foeticide,” and “the killing of babies.” And Margaret Sanger, who knew a thing or two about contraception, said that birth control “has nothing to do with abortion, it has nothing to do with interfering with or disturbing life after conception has taken place.” Birth control stands alone: “It is the first, last, and final step we all are to take to have real human emancipation

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion?
 
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