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Irish times project huge win for abortion rights in Ireland

itsforthekids said:
I support allowing babies in the womb to live...the most vulnerable among us. You support killing them at will. I believe that I hold the high ground.
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No you dont. Why is the life of the unborn more valuable than the life of a woman?

As pointed out, a life is more than just breathing.

I believe in quality of life over quantity. You reduce children to just dehumanizing numbers.

How about these numbers: there are more than 100,000 kids available for adoption (not just in foster care, that's way more) here in the US. How is it better to produce more unwanted kids while these kids are waiting for homes? For every new baby born...one of these kids may be passed over.
 
beefheart said:
What a stupid thing to say. You don't know much about Ireland.
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Well, that is a truthful comment, but maybe he just does not know much about anything in Europe.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, they haven't, nor can you demonstrate that they have.

Have someone explain 'socialism' to you.
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Well, that would help if someone had a desire to look at those things with honesty and an open mind, but most people just should all liberals are socialist or commies, and those people are not helped by facts.
 
Lursa said:
No you dont. Why is the life of the unborn more valuable than the life of a woman?

As pointed out, a life is more than just breathing.

I believe in quality of life over quantity. You reduce children to just dehumanizing numbers.

How about these numbers: there are more than 100,000 kids available for adoption (not just in foster care, that's way more) here in the US. How is it better to produce more unwanted kids while these kids are waiting for homes? For every new baby born...one of these kids may be passed over.
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That's complete and utter nonsense. Talk about dehumanizing!
 
itsforthekids said:
You're displaying a willful ignorance. Okay, they're not "considered" a socialist nation, but their governed by socialist policies. That will soon become socialist.
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You specifically stated that the Irish have 'become socialist'.

Now you're running away from that statment.

Smart move, given the absolute ignorance of your claim.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
You specifically stated that the Irish have 'become socialist'.

Now you're running away from that statment.

Smart move, given the absolute ignorance of your claim.
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I didn't run, I admitted that I was technically wrong. They govern as socialists, just like the dems here.
 
itsforthekids said:
That's complete and utter nonsense. Talk about dehumanizing!
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Who are the children who wait? The children who wait are the survivors of abuse and neglect. They are school aged children, siblings, children of color and children with disabilities. Each of them waits for adoption and there are more than 114,000 of them across the country. These children live in a series of foster and group homes for an average of three years. There they wait while they hope for the stability of an adoptive family.

https://www.adoptex.org/meet-the-children/
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Waiting for a family is the longest wait of all.
Despite the fact that we live in one of the most fortunate nations in the world, there are 102,000 children in the U.S. foster care system waiting to be adopted. Adopt America Network specializes in finding homes for the most difficult-to-place children.

Adopt America Network | Children for Adoption
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LOLOLOL So you even value the unborn above kids already waiting for homes, kids in need.

And you think you are morally superior in any way??? :roll:

You just want to see 'more more more,' and have no consideration at all for those already living, breathing, trying to live their lives, a future.

Why is the unborn entitled to that before any of these kids or women in general?

All you do is bluster, lie, and provide zero answers to the tough questions.
 
itsforthekids said:
I didn't run, I admitted that I was technically wrong. They govern as socialists, just like the dems here.
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So you won't mind me saying that Trump governs like a Nazi because that is how he sounds and acts.

trump_as_nazi.jpg
 
itsforthekids said:
I didn't run, I admitted that I was technically wrong. They govern as socialists, just like the dems here.
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More than just technically wrong, you are wrong due to complete ignorance.
 
itsforthekids said:
That's a stupid argument.
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No it isn't. You have the right to choose whatever you want. You don't have the right to take away a woman's right.
 
iguanaman said:
So you won't mind me saying that Trump governs like a Nazi because that is how he sounds and acts.

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Give examples of how? Not opinions, just give a list of policies that are like those of Nazi's. Please be accurate. I'll go first...he placed American citizens in concentration camps...oh, wait.
 
beefheart said:
No it isn't. You have the right to choose whatever you want. You don't have the right to take away a woman's right.
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It would actually be violating several rights.
 
beefheart said:
No it isn't. You have the right to choose whatever you want. You don't have the right to take away a woman's right.
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In America 150 years ago, blacks weren't seen as worthy of protection. They were property...just like baby killers think that the life growing in a woman's body is her property. Some day, and it will be sooner than many think, the age of mass abortion will be seen for the barbarian act that it is.


The confederate's argument in 1860..."How dare you think you have the "right" to take away my property!" There's is absolutely no difference.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Breaking the possessive chains of religion. I'll drink to that.

:drink
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That's the really amazing part of the story, I think. Ireland?
One of the best and most manipulated populations in the world by the Catholic church. Sometimes I think there's hope for the world.
 
itsforthekids said:
In America 150 years ago, blacks weren't seen as worthy of protection. They were property...just like baby killers think that the life growing in a woman's body is her property. Some day, and it will be sooner than many think, the age of mass abortion will be seen for the barbarian act that it is.


The confederate's argument in 1860..."How dare you think you have the "right" to take away my property!" There's is absolutely no difference.
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False equivalence born out of the desperation of having no argument.

You are flailing and really embarrassing yourself.

Stick to the topic, Ireland (which is not a socialist country) finally threw off the last vestiges of the church making the law. Women will have freedom over their own bodies, and it was done so in a purely democratic vote. It is a good day for Ireland.
 
itsforthekids said:
In America 150 years ago, blacks weren't seen as worthy of protection. They were property...just like baby killers think that the life growing in a woman's body is her property. Some day, and it will be sooner than many think, the age of mass abortion will be seen for the barbarian act that it is.


The confederate's argument in 1860..."How dare you think you have the "right" to take away my property!" There's is absolutely no difference.
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And how is forcing pregnant woman to have babies and carry them to term not a form of slavery?
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
That's the really amazing part of the story, I think. Ireland?
One of the best and most manipulated populations in the world by the Catholic church. Sometimes I think there's hope for the world.
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Well, the RC has been exposed for some of its wrongdoings, like the Magdalene laundries, the people of Ireland have grown weary of the hypocrisy of the church and its influence.
 
itsforthekids said:
People in these conditions should be very, very cautious about having sex then. Instead of "hooking up" just to "hook up" is an animalistic way to go through life. Most 95% of abortions are performed as birth control and are done by the same women over and over again. They simply live like animals with no self control.
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Wrong

Every single abortion is birth control

Lursa said:
May I please see your source for the 95% of abortions are performed as birth control?

I'm pretty sure you made it up.

The stats will show that 65% of people use birth control.

You do realize that no (non-surgical) birth control works 100% right?

And people have every right to enjoy sex, it's a great thing. Women now have a safer, legal option if they do end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
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See above. Have an abortion and you do not give birth.
 
itsforthekids said:
In America 150 years ago, blacks weren't seen as worthy of protection. They were property...just like baby killers think that the life growing in a woman's body is her property. Some day, and it will be sooner than many think, the age of mass abortion will be seen for the barbarian act that it is.


The confederate's argument in 1860..."How dare you think you have the "right" to take away my property!" There's is absolutely no difference.
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The rights of blacks can be upheld without violating the rights of any other persons and without violating the bodily sovereignty of anyone else.

SCOTUS in previous decades examined blacks and women and recognized them/us as equal to "men" and recognized our rights. In the 70s SCOTUS did the same for the unborn and did not find them equal to born people. Hence they do not have any rights. The unborn have zero rights that they can exercise independently from the mother...they are not equal.

In the US, only persons have rights:

U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
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itsforthekids said:
It's what leftie progressive commies do best...they kill innocents. And, it's sickening how they applaud it.
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It's precious when conservatives attempt to preach to liberals about ending innocent lives when many conservatives work day and night to ruin innocent, sentient lives.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
And how is forcing pregnant woman to have babies and carry them to term not a form of slavery?
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He seems to feel there is some moral High Ground there....demanding that women remain pregnant against their will :roll:
 
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