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Clinics That Refer Women For Abortions Would Not Get Federal Funds Under New Rule

Bucky

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The Trump administration is reviving a rule that would deny federal family planning funds to organizations that provide abortions or make abortion referrals.

The rule is similar to one in place during the Reagan administration. The proposal was drafted by the Health and Human Services Department and is under review by the White House budget office.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...r-clinics-that-discuss-abortion-with-patients

Thank goodness. From a moral standpoint, I found it immoral that millions of Christians and morally ethical people were being forced to subsidize abortions.

Planned Parenthood performs over 300k abortions a year. Who are they kidding when they claim abortions makes up a small portion of their business services? The funds PP receives from Title X funds are co-mingled with all other funds. They only have one account.

The idea behind this is not to attack women's right but to separate abortion from all the other wonderful services this organization provides. Abortion has nothing to do with family planning. It is family ending. Let's not confuse the two as being mutually beneficial.
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...r-clinics-that-discuss-abortion-with-patients

Thank goodness. From a moral standpoint, I found it immoral that millions of Christians and morally ethical people were being forced to subsidize abortions.

Planned Parenthood performs over 300k abortions a year. Who are they kidding when they claim abortions makes up a small portion of their business services? The funds PP receives from Title X funds are co-mingled with all other funds. They only have one account.

The idea behind this is not to attack women's right but to separate abortion from all the other wonderful services this organization provides. Abortion has nothing to do with family planning. It is family ending. Let's not confuse the two as being mutually beneficial.

LMAO its hilarious how many of your posts are factually inaccurate and instantly fail.

Facts that destroy your post.
1.) morals are subjective
2.) nobody is being forced to subsidize abortions
3.) Christians get more abortions in this country than anybody
4.) Abortions do make up a small part of PP's services
5.) Abortion is very much by definition family planning
6.) your subjective feelings about abortion not being beneficial is nothign more than that, your subjective feelings
 
If this is the way we're doing things now, I don't want one red cent of my tax dollars going to christians, pointless wars in the middle east, corporate welfare, or anything else I don't like. We get to choose exactly where are taxes do and don't go now based on our personal moral compass, right?
 
If this is the way we're doing things now, I don't want one red cent of my tax dollars going to christians, pointless wars in the middle east, corporate welfare, or anything else I don't like. We get to choose exactly where are taxes do and don't go now based on our personal moral compass, right?

The difference is it is illegal for public grant funds to be used for abortions. PP can only fund abortions via private funds. Only a fool would assume no co-mingling is occurring between public and private funds.
 
The difference is it is illegal for public grant funds to be used for abortions. PP can only fund abortions via private funds. Only a fool would assume no co-mingling is occurring between public and private funds.

Translation: you cant support and factual prove your claim LMAO
Please let us know when you can, thanks!
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...r-clinics-that-discuss-abortion-with-patients

Thank goodness. From a moral standpoint, I found it immoral that millions of Christians and morally ethical people were being forced to subsidize abortions.

Planned Parenthood performs over 300k abortions a year. Who are they kidding when they claim abortions makes up a small portion of their business services? The funds PP receives from Title X funds are co-mingled with all other funds. They only have one account.

The idea behind this is not to attack women's right but to separate abortion from all the other wonderful services this organization provides. Abortion has nothing to do with family planning. It is family ending. Let's not confuse the two as being mutually beneficial.

I'm glad that this was in the works for a while. Though it could have been done earlier with how much of an outcry the politicians have been getting in the past. Its nice to see something finally come of it.
 
Its rather hilarious when some one says your factually wrong and doesn't supply evidence to the contrary.

I would believe that person is talking out of their ass if that were the case.
 
Its rather hilarious when some one says your factually wrong and doesn't supply evidence to the contrary.

I would believe that person is talking out of their ass if that were the case.

LMAO. See on this topic this fact has been proven over and over again for years here at DP. BUT whats even better is that the OP made the claim and we are calling BS on that claim so it would be the OPs job to support his claim. SO what you believe is meaningless and has just been exposed has illogical and stupid. If theres any other mistakes you need help with please let me know. your welcome :)
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...r-clinics-that-discuss-abortion-with-patients

Thank goodness. From a moral standpoint, I found it immoral that millions of Christians and morally ethical people were being forced to subsidize abortions.

Planned Parenthood performs over 300k abortions a year. Who are they kidding when they claim abortions makes up a small portion of their business services? The funds PP receives from Title X funds are co-mingled with all other funds. They only have one account.

The idea behind this is not to attack women's right but to separate abortion from all the other wonderful services this organization provides. Abortion has nothing to do with family planning. It is family ending. Let's not confuse the two as being mutually beneficial.


I fully expect another lawsuit will squash it just like it has all the other attempts to defund PP.


"...A similar rule proposed during the Reagan administration was hit by legal challenges from Planned Parenthood and other groups and never fully implemented. It was later rescinded by President Bill Clinton.

Abortion-rights groups are likely to take to the courts again in efforts to stop the latest change, if the proposal goes forward...."
 
The difference is it is illegal for public grant funds to be used for abortions. PP can only fund abortions via private funds. Only a fool would assume no co-mingling is occurring between public and private funds.

With as much scrutiny that PP is under only a fool would think they would co-mingle federal and private funding.
 
The difference is it is illegal for public grant funds to be used for abortions. PP can only fund abortions via private funds. Only a fool would assume no co-mingling is occurring between public and private funds.

So your evidence is a fool saying "only a fool would assume"?
 
LMAO. See on this topic this fact has been proven over and over again for years here at DP. BUT whats even better is that the OP made the claim and we are calling BS on that claim so it would be the OPs job to support his claim. SO what you believe is meaningless and has just been exposed has illogical and stupid. If theres any other mistakes you need help with please let me know. your welcome :)

The proof is in the numbers agent J. The proof is in the numbers.
 
Abortion is very much by definition family planning

It is very much the definition of ending a life.

Abortion has nothing to do with family planning or healthcare. Give me a break.
 
Everyone does know if that when the Dems take back the House they will just reinstate the funds, welcome back to Reality.
 
Everyone does know if that when the Dems take back the House they will just reinstate the funds, welcome back to Reality.

When Kennedy retires next month, the Supreme Court will radically shift on abortion.
 
With as much scrutiny that PP is under only a fool would think they would co-mingle federal and private funding.

Does that mean PP has 2 separate "books" for their accounting?!?
 
The proof is in the numbers agent J. The proof is in the numbers.

So you have none yet, thats what I thought LOL
WHen you do have some factual proof of this crime you claim that is happening please present it, thanks!
 
1.)It is very much the definition of ending a life.
2.)Abortion has nothing to do with family planning or healthcare.
3.)Give me a break.

1.) by definition that is also factually wrong LMAO why do you post so many lies?
2.) again by definition it factually does both.
3.) No I wont, when you post blatant lies like you just did me and others will point them out and easily expose them for the dishonest nonsensical drivel they are and watch how you cant defend them and support them with one single fact that makes them true. :)

Now if you disagree please simply feel free to back up and prove your lies to be true using facts, thanks!
 
1.) by definition that is also factually wrong LMAO why do you post so many lies?
2.) again by definition it factually does both.
3.) No I wont, when you post blatant lies like you just did me and others will point them out and easily expose them for the dishonest nonsensical drivel they are and watch how you cant defend them and support them with one single fact that makes them true. :)

Now if you disagree please simply feel free to back up and prove your lies to be true using facts, thanks!

I based it on the annual reports. AS PP's increases taxpayer funding, abortion has expanded while their other health services have decreased.

Look up PP accounting gimmicks.
 
I based it on the annual reports. AS PP's increases taxpayer funding, abortion has expanded while their other health services have decreased.

Look up PP accounting gimmicks.

So again ZERO facts and proof just your false claims you cant support with facts LMAO just like I said.
WHen you do have some factual proof of this crime you claim that is happening please present it, thanks!
 
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...r-clinics-that-discuss-abortion-with-patients

Thank goodness. From a moral standpoint, I found it immoral that millions of Christians and morally ethical people were being forced to subsidize abortions.

Planned Parenthood performs over 300k abortions a year. Who are they kidding when they claim abortions makes up a small portion of their business services? The funds PP receives from Title X funds are co-mingled with all other funds. They only have one account.

The idea behind this is not to attack women's right but to separate abortion from all the other wonderful services this organization provides. Abortion has nothing to do with family planning. It is family ending. Let's not confuse the two as being mutually beneficial.

The Party of Increased Litigation, Strikes Again!

We have a First Amendment.

We don't have to take our representatives to Government, seriously about morals, only politics and the law.
 
So again ZERO facts and proof just your false claims you cant support with facts LMAO just like I said.
WHen you do have some factual proof of this crime you claim that is happening please present it, thanks!

Where are your facts? And FYI would what the administration be doing this if it wasn't a problem?

Pres. Trump has been doing a lot of good things. Delivering trade deals with S, Korea, China, meeting with N. Korea. Simply too many wins to count. Have some faith instead of complaining. Let life be your medicine because Trump has been doing great.
 
The difference is it is illegal for public grant funds to be used for abortions. PP can only fund abortions via private funds. Only a fool would assume no co-mingling is occurring between public and private funds.

Bucky, you stated on previous threads that you were an employee at Planned Parenthood.

You should know that abortions are the one service that Planned Parenthood gets paid in full for. They are either paid by the patient or from donations that are targeted for abortions. Some women have abortions covered by insurance. The procedure itself only lasts a few minutes and does not take a lot of extra equipment. The $350-700 (est) that Planned Parenthood is paid, should fully cover staff and operating costs. So if anything...abortions help cover the costs of the other services which include contraception and cancer screenings and pre-cancer treatments.

There is no need to have federal funds cover abortions.

Bucky....you need to pick a stance. On one hand you insinuate that "comingled" funds are needed to prop up the abortion side of PP....and you also have indicated that PP is making huge profits performing abortions.

Seriously, it becomes more difficult to believe anything you say.
 
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