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Child Support Payback

American said:
And many do, including my ex. New car, closet full of clothes, etc... The problem with child support is that the father isn't allowed to procure the necessary support for his child as he sees fit. The money is given to the mother to spend as she sees fit. There is zero accountability or regulation. Until you've paid it yourself, you don't understand.
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American said:
And many do, including my ex. New car, closet full of clothes, etc... The problem with child support is that the father isn't allowed to procure the necessary support for his child as he sees fit. The money is given to the mother to spend as she sees fit. There is zero accountability or regulation. Until you've paid it yourself, you don't understand.
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Did your ex work?

Did your kid have what he needed...closet full of clothes, good food, toys, bike, etc?

How about the time she sacrifices for the child? The sleep she misses, the sick time from work she uses, taking him/her to soccer, dr appts, etc etc etc?

Hopefully everyone loves their child but they require loads of effort and sacrifice.

Did you request joint custody? (Sounds like she has sole custody but maybe not)
 
vegas giants said:
Men do not have sex without consequences. That is a made up lie
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Avoiding my question.

What would MLK say about people actively fight for the "right" NOT to support their children?

Since you invoke him on this topic so much, you must have some very specific evidence that he would be ok with people refusing to attempt to support their kids.
 
American said:
BTW I paid half the mortgage on the house as well, while watching it deteriorate. The point, the father's ability to make any decisions is removed. How would YOU like to be in that position? Bet you wouldn't.
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Yes, that would bother me a lot. For a mother or a father, to not be allowed to be involved in the raising of the child and be involved in decisions in their best interests.

Did you request joint custody? Full custody? Did you have much visitation? Was this many years ago? These days family courts are much more open to custody for fathers.
 
year2late said:
Avoiding my question.

What would MLK say about people actively fight for the "right" NOT to support their children?

Since you invoke him on this topic so much, you must have some very specific evidence that he would be ok with people refusing to attempt to support their kids.
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Yeah what WOULD MLK jr say about people fighting to deny civil rights?
 
year2late said:
So you avoid my very specific question. Typical.

Here it is again. What do you think MLK would say about people fighting for the right not to support their children.

You seem certain, so you must have some evidence - please, I would love to see it.
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Um. Uh.

"Thank you for your opinion."
 
Lursa said:
I wanted to, in my early 30s. Doctors do not want to do that procedure on young women, and many wont. It is discouraged.

Also, it's an elective procedure and my health insurance would not cover it. It's alot more expensive than a vasectomy.
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When I had a C-section, I tried to talk my OBGYN into it along with my planned C-section. he actively discouraged it. I think I could have talked him into it, but I had so many unforeseen complications with my pregnancy, that I just didn't think to pester him about it more. But I would have had a fight on my hands.
 
vegas giants said:
Yeah what WOULD MLK jr say about people fighting to deny civil rights?
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I do not think MLK would consider refusing to support your children "a right". I think wholeheartedly that he would want parents to support their kids.

But you are the one invoking MLK into this discussion, so show me the proof that MLK would be ok with people not attempting to support their kids.
 
year2late said:
I do not think MLK would consider refusing to support your children "a right". I think wholeheartedly that he would want parents to support their kids.

But you are the one invoking MLK into this discussion, so show me the proof that MLK would be ok with people not attempting to support their kids.
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Oh so you have an opinion? So do I . See how that works. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Oh so you have an opinion? So do I . See how that works. LOL
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You are the one invoking MLK repeatedly to support your position. But you just say "civil rights" without showing how MLK would consider it a civil right.

I am asking you to back up your assertion. He was a deeply religious man, and I would have a tough time believing he would fight for the "right" of men not to support their children.
 
year2late said:
You are the one invoking MLK repeatedly to support your position. But you just say "civil rights" without showing how MLK would consider it a civil right.

I am asking you to back up your assertion. He was a deeply religious man, and I would have a tough time believing he would fight for the "right" of men not to support their children.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion. He fought for civil rights. This is a civil right. DUH
 
vegas giants said:
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. He fought for civil rights. This is a civil right. DUH
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Prove that not supporting your children is a civil right.


You certainly have not showed that MLK would think that not supporting your children is a "right"
 
year2late said:
Prove that not supporting your children is a civil right.


You certainly have not showed that MLK would think that not supporting your children is a "right"
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I have made my 14th amendment case quite clearly. We are not discussing children. This is where you go wrong
 
vegas giants said:
I have made my 14th amendment case quite clearly. We are not discussing children. This is where you go wrong
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Of course we are discussing children.

We are not discussing pregnancy support.
 
year2late said:
Avoiding my question.

What would MLK say about people actively fight for the "right" NOT to support their children?

Since you invoke him on this topic so much, you must have some very specific evidence that he would be ok with people refusing to attempt to support their kids.
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You’ll not get a reply directly related or relevant to your inquiries. Not in this thread or any similar threads. Sadly, proponents of topics related to Male Financial Opt Out of Unwanted Pregnancies - will only repeat how men are victims of unfair laws and governments failing to acknowledge and act on complaints that men are hopelessly doomed because women can avoid being a parent and men can’t.

This subject will never advance to a more civil and productive discussion because - Questions such as the following are being Avoided Like the Plague by “Opt Out Proponents”:

1) Are Men currently granted Financial Opt Out From an Unwanted Pregnancy that is brought to full-term? “YES?” “NO?”

2) If the answer to question 1) is “NO”, should men educate themselves about how not to become a victim of current laws that force men to pay child support for nearly two decades if their sex partner refuses to have an abortion?

3) Can men significantly lessen or prevent the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy prior to having a sexual relationship... without abstaining from sex or having an invasive medical procedure? “YES?” “NO?”

4) If no “Male Opt Out Law” exists - What should every male of child bearing age, over voting age, do to make sure that both Federal and State governments “publicly acknowledge this issue and vow to raise public awareness and that governments will take actions to employ the lawful procedures necessary to allow our legislative and judicial processes to reject or enacted Laws and/or amend Federal and State Constitutions?
 
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Removable Mind said:
You’ll not get a reply directly related or relevant to your inquiries. Not in this thread or any similar threads. Sadly, proponents of topics related to Male Financial Opt Out of Unwanted Pregnancies - will only repeat how men are victims of unfair laws and governments failing to acknowledge and act on complaints that men are hopelessly doomed because women can avoid being a parent and men can’t.

This subject will never advance to a more civil and productive discussion because - Questions such as the following are being Avoided Like the Plague by “Opt Out Proponents”:

1) Are Men currently granted Financial Opt Out From an Unwanted Pregnancy that is brought to full-term? “YES?” “NO?”

2) If the answer to question 1) is “NO”, should men educate themselves about how not to become a victim of current laws that force men to pay child support for nearly two decades if their sex partner refuses to have an abortion?

3) Can men significantly lessen or prevent the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy prior to having a sexual relationship... without abstaining from sex or having an invasive medical procedure? “YES?” “NO?”

4) If no “Male Opt Out Law” exists - What should every male of child bearing age, over voting age, do to make sure that both Federal and State governments “publicly acknowledge this issue and vow to raise public awareness and that governments will take actions to employ the lawful procedures necessary to allow our legislative and judicial processes to reject or enacted Laws and/or amend Federal and State Constitutions?
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Gays who are being discriminated against at work can significatly lessen the chances of that happening if they are hide who they are from everyone at work.
 
Lursa said:
Did your ex work?

Did your kid have what he needed...closet full of clothes, good food, toys, bike, etc?

How about the time she sacrifices for the child? The sleep she misses, the sick time from work she uses, taking him/her to soccer, dr appts, etc etc etc?

Hopefully everyone loves their child but they require loads of effort and sacrifice.

Did you request joint custody? (Sounds like she has sole custody but maybe not)
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My kids were in high school, and I lived 10 mins away. So what are you trying to say, that I'm a deadbeat? Dude, tell me about your family situation. There's a lot more to this story that would not shed a good light on her, but we'll keep it basic. Yeah, she's a professional with 25 years of work experience paid a professional level salary. My point is that whoever doesn't have custody, gets no say in how that money is spent.
 
vegas giants said:
Perfect equivalency
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When is honestly and relevancy going to be a part of your replies? These types of topics are worthless if the proponents are only willing to trash the thread when confronted with valid, relevant, honest, and problem solving intent.

Answer my questions as they are actually written, by the number. If you choose to derail my questions, it will be rock solid proof that you have zero interest in participating in male opt out threads because you are incapable of addressing these issues. Adult like responses aren’t difficult if you genuinely care about these topics.

Again: In my post to Year2Late I stated the following:

Removable Mind said:
Post to Year2Late

You’ll not get a reply directly related or relevant to your inquiries. Not in this thread or any similar threads. Sadly, proponents of topics related to Male Financial Opt Out of Unwanted Pregnancies - will only repeat how men are victims of unfair laws and governments failing to acknowledge and act on complaints that men are hopelessly doomed because women can avoid being a parent and men can’t.

This subject will never advance to a more civil and productive discussion because - Questions such as the following are being Avoided Like the Plague by several “Opt Out Proponents”:

1) Are Men currently granted Financial Opt Out From an Unwanted Pregnancy that is brought to full-term? “YES?” “NO?”

2) If the answer to question 1) is “NO”, should men educate themselves about how not to become a victim of current laws that force men to pay child support for nearly two decades if their sex partner refuses to have an abortion?

3) Can men significantly lessen or prevent the possibility of an unwanted pregnancy prior to having a sexual relationship... without abstaining from sex or having an invasive medical procedure? “YES?” “NO?”

4) If no “Male Opt Out Law” exists - What should every male of child bearing age, over voting age, do to make sure that both Federal and State governments “publicly acknowledge this issue and vow to raise public awareness and that governments will take actions to employ the lawful procedures necessary to allow our legislative and judicial processes to reject or enacted Laws and/or amend Federal and State Constitutions?
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If you can’t be honest and forthright about this then I’ll create a new thread post my above questions in the Law and Order Forum. Maybe then we can finally have honest male opt out proponents respond with sincere discourse.
 
Removable Mind said:
When is honestly and relevancy going to be a part of your replies? These types of topics are worthless if the proponents are only willing to trash the thread when confronted with valid, relevant, honest, and problem solving intent.

Answer my questions as they are actually written, by the number. If you choose to derail my questions, it will be rock solid proof that you have zero interest in participating in male opt out threads because you are incapable of addressing these issues. Adult like responses aren’t difficult if you genuinely care about these topics.

Again: In my post to Year2Late I stated the following:



If you can’t be honest and forthright about this then I’ll create a new thread post my above questions in the Law and Order Forum. Maybe then we can finally have honest male opt out proponents respond with sincere discourse.
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Your questions are insulting. You do not answer my questions for the same reason. Go anywhere you like. That is your choice.
 
vegas giants said:
Your questions are insulting. You do not answer my questions for the same reason. Go anywhere you like. That is your choice.
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They insult you because you can’t give a credible, knowledgeable, honest reply.
 
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