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Child Support Payback

There are consequences (moral, emotional, mental and relationship) associated with her opting out post conception for the man too if he wants the child. And he gets no say in that matter

If he doesnt want those consequences, he can decide not to risk them. No one forces him to have sex.

If he chooses to have sex with a woman, then he knows those are possible consequences. The responsibility for those are his alone. And he has the complete ability to avoid them as well. He's no victim.
 
If he's that upset about a woman having an abortion, he should have discussed it with her first. And if they didnt agree, then he should not have risked having that pregnancy. He has no one to blame but himself, since he knew that was the possibility.

He should do this and he should do that. She is free to be as irresponsible as she wishes because she has an opt out but he must do everything right. How incredibly sexist.
 
If he doesnt want those consequences, he can decide not to risk them. No one forces him to have sex.

If he chooses to have sex with a woman, then he knows those are possible consequences. The responsibility for those are his alone. And he has the complete ability to avoid them as well. He's no victim.

The woman appears to have no responsibility at all in your view. She can do whatever she wants and there is always an out. This is incredibly sexist.
 
The woman appears to have no responsibility at all in your view. She can do whatever she wants and there is always an out. This is incredibly sexist.

Agreed. That is why I stopped debating Lursa. Her posts repeatedly are mocking and promote sexism and hypocrisy...
 
He should do this and he should do that. She is free to be as irresponsible as she wishes because she has an opt out but he must do everything right. How incredibly sexist.

You are talking about women, who if they get pregnant, cannot escape consequences?

It's not about 'should' for women...it's about 'must'. And what they must do is in their best interests and possibly the best interests of a child.
 
Agreed. That is why I stopped debating Lursa. Her posts repeatedly are mocking and promote sexism and hypocrisy...

Yeah...I'm sexist and hypocritical, lol:

He's talking about women, who if they get pregnant, cannot escape consequences?

It's not about 'should' for women...it's about 'must'. And what they must do is in their best interests and possibly the best interests of a child.

You claim sexism over and over when you've seen many times that I've written that pregnant men...and we already have men gestating...would be treated exactly the same way, and the women who contributed the egg would get no opt out.

So maybe the reason you tried to stop debating me is so you dont have to lie flat out?
 
well put...

Missed the 'lol' I see.

Well again you have gotten to the point where you contribute nothing to the discussion. You have yet to make your arguments stand up under counter arguments...so just admit you're finished. Otherwise we'll have to see another one of these threads in a few months (if this one isnt still going on! lol...did you see the 'lol' there?)

And btw, since you insist your issue has nothing to do with abortion, please post it in Law and Order next time...maybe you'll get some fresh perspectives there and as you state, it's all about ONLY making a change to the law.
 
You are talking about women, who if they get pregnant, cannot escape consequences?

It's not about 'should' for women...it's about 'must'. And what they must do is in their best interests and possibly the best interests of a child.

The best interests of the child is not to have one that she can not afford and won't have a father. It is immoral and selfish
 
Missed the 'lol' I see.

Well again you have gotten to the point where you contribute nothing to the discussion. You have yet to make your arguments stand up under counter arguments...so just admit you're finished. Otherwise we'll have to see another one of these threads in a few months (if this one isnt still going on! lol...did you see the 'lol' there?)

And btw, since you insist your issue has nothing to do with abortion, please post it in Law and Order next time...maybe you'll get some fresh perspectives there and as you state, it's all about ONLY making a change to the law.

I have utterly destroyed your arguments... you just keep making troll posts or worse... actually cant see how you lost.
 
I have utterly destroyed your arguments... you just keep making troll posts or worse... actually cant see how you lost.

Oh? Feel free to post a post number or quotes where you have done so.
 
Missed the 'lol' I see.

Well again you have gotten to the point where you contribute nothing to the discussion. You have yet to make your arguments stand up under counter arguments...so just admit you're finished. Otherwise we'll have to see another one of these threads in a few months (if this one isnt still going on! lol...did you see the 'lol' there?)

And btw, since you insist your issue has nothing to do with abortion, please post it in Law and Order next time...maybe you'll get some fresh perspectives there and as you state, it's all about ONLY making a change to the law.

You are free to leave here at anytime by the way. LOL
 
You are free to leave here at anytime by the way. LOL

So...you also are out of arguments that you cant make any headway on then?

I've still been posting actual content and very civilly as well.
 
So...you also are out of arguments that you cant make any headway on then?

I've still been posting actual content and very civilly as well.

Then continue to do so. But we need a male opt out post conception. This is civil rights. This is pro choice
 
Oh? Feel free to post a post number or quotes where you have done so.

Too many posts... too many threads...

And I have done it before and you don't understand. Manipulation. Slut Shaming. You just get lost.
 
So...you also are out of arguments that you cant make any headway on then?

I've still been posting actual content and very civilly as well.

As you recently suggested, this topic, and similar topics, should be a sub-Forum in the Law and Order Forum or possibly the Forum on the Constitution. This topic , and the alike, has zero to do with the act of having the medical procedure involved in terminating a pregnancy.
 
As you recently suggested, this topic, and similar topics, should be a sub-Forum in the Law and Order Forum or possibly the Forum on the Constitution. This topic , and the alike, has zero to do with the act of having the medical procedure involved in terminating a pregnancy.

I disagree. I think it is directly related to the topic
 
Too many posts... too many threads...

And I have done it before and you don't understand. Manipulation. Slut Shaming. You just get lost.

Ah...I've solidly proven you were either misusing or misunderstanding how you were using manipulation and provided the dictionary definitions to prove it (actually you did too and still didnt understand after I broke the sentence down into its grammatical parts!) and others agreed with that as well. (I'm happy to repost all that if you like...it's saved in OneNote.)

As for slut-shaming...I have only pointed out that your selfish position on opting out is not a noble one. And that's a fact, because for all your objections based on 'fairness,' the opt out is fair to no one except a group of men that would avoid consequences they knowingly risked..to place it on kids and taxpayers who arent responsible for those males' choices. That's not fair. And far from noble.

But you and a couple of others seem to have no trouble slut-shaming women. OTOH, I dont really care...I see it all the time in abortion threads, it's a reflection of the person posting it.
 
I disagree. I think it is directly related to the topic

Really? Which abortion laws would you change to provide some opt-out for men?

Please be specific.
 
Too many posts... too many threads...

And I have done it before and you don't understand. Manipulation. Slut Shaming. You just get lost.

Here, just real quick:

Bod_OptoutDefs1_sm.jpg

And then you needed further help:

Lursa said:
The intent is to *use* the opt out to influence her decision. It's written right here.^^^

If you dont see it, everyone else can. That little conjunction 'so' spells it out.

From the dictionary:

so: to an indicated or suggested extent or degree

so: with the result that

so: in order that

so: with the result or purpose

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/so

So | Define So at Dictionary.com

And there's more of course.

Women do have 100% control over their bodies...and so some men want the opt out as an attempt to manipulate those choices since they dont have any other means.
 
Really? Which abortion laws would you change to provide some opt-out for men?

Please be specific.

I would change no abortion laws at all. This forum is not entitled Abortion LAWS.
 
Ah...I've solidly proven you were either misusing or misunderstanding how you were using manipulation and provided the dictionary definitions to prove it (actually you did too and still didnt understand after I broke the sentence down into its grammatical parts!) and others agreed with that as well. (I'm happy to repost all that if you like...it's saved in OneNote.)

As for slut-shaming...I have only pointed out that your selfish position on opting out is not a noble one. And that's a fact, because for all your objections based on 'fairness,' the opt out is fair to no one except a group of men that would avoid consequences they knowingly risked..to place it on kids and taxpayers who arent responsible for those males' choices. That's not fair. And far from noble.

But you and a couple of others seem to have no trouble slut-shaming women. OTOH, I dont really care...I see it all the time in abortion threads, it's a reflection of the person posting it.

Your attacks on men are well documented
 
As you recently suggested, this topic, and similar topics, should be a sub-Forum in the Law and Order Forum or possibly the Forum on the Constitution. This topic , and the alike, has zero to do with the act of having the medical procedure involved in terminating a pregnancy.

I disagree. I think it is directly related to the topic
Really? Which abortion laws would you change to provide some opt-out for men?

Please be specific.
I would change no abortion laws at all. This forum is not entitled Abortion LAWS.


great...then how is abortion relevant to your opt out/get out of child support topics? Why use this sub-forum?
 
Ah...I've solidly proven you were either misusing or misunderstanding how you were using manipulation and provided the dictionary definitions to prove it (actually you did too and still didnt understand after I broke the sentence down into its grammatical parts!) and others agreed with that as well. (I'm happy to repost all that if you like...it's saved in OneNote.)

As for slut-shaming...I have only pointed out that your selfish position on opting out is not a noble one. And that's a fact, because for all your objections based on 'fairness,' the opt out is fair to no one except a group of men that would avoid consequences they knowingly risked..to place it on kids and taxpayers who arent responsible for those males' choices. That's not fair. And far from noble.

But you and a couple of others seem to have no trouble slut-shaming women. OTOH, I dont really care...I see it all the time in abortion threads, it's a reflection of the person posting it.

You continue to post ignorant and ill contrived garbage... :shrug:\
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Here, just real quick:

LOL Making an informed choice is manipulation! :lol:

Like I said you are arguing that everything is manipulation. Buying pretty much anything... listening to friends... your teachers... parents.

All manipulation. When taken in that context the term becomes meaningless.
 
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