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Child Support Payback

You still have to support your child. I suggest using contraceptives.
Or better yet don't sleep with a women you don't want to get pregnant.

Goose, gander. Both parties, not just one, should get that second chance.
 
Nope. Once the deed is done it is too late.
You should have opted out before or taken better precautions.

Which is why both parents are expected to support said child.

You are just saying how it is now... and no... it is not done. She can abort.
 
It is *ostensibly* for the benefit of the child. The egg donor could easily spend the money on nose candy.

My ex would get lattes and pastry and go to movies then turn around a cry she didn't have money for food or shoes for our kids so I would then buy those too. Luckily she stopped doing that but it was for years...
 
So, in the scenario, is the woman working and supporting the child as well?

(Not that it matters that much:2razz:)

Sure... why not! :)
 
Nonsense, utter nonsense, this should and could not become law because it is literally Bull Crap.

She has to pay him back for them having a child :lamo

Promotes personal responsibility :lamo Sure, except the personal responsibility of the man who made her pregnant.

Promotes consequences for an action? What action would that be then? The action of how dipstick made a woman pregnant by having sex with her? Or the action of the sperm meeting an egg and the egg embedding itself? That action? Or the action where she thinks abortion is a sin and not has one? That action? Or the fact that a judges orders him to pay support to the child he made possible? That action?

So hell no, that is in no way fair, logical, honest, in accordance with law or reality. Any lawmaker who tries to bring such a law should be laughed out of congress by his colleagues, then have him be recalled in a special election and ceremonially kicked out of office and normal society.

Also, the child support he paid went to the child and stands into no comparison to the actual cost of raising a child, he should feel lucky he got away that cheaply.

You are ignoring the fact that she did not abort a child she could not afford...
 
It is certainly is relavant.

He would be paying child support because he decided to have sex and ended up becoming a father.

His responsibility is to the child not to the mother. No child no payment

Her responsibility is to not have a child she can't afford to raise on her own...
 
Man doesn't wear condom in this scenario I am assuming. I am also assuming this is a pro-abortion argument.

This would be for guys that practiced safe sex
 
Man cannot throw his kid on the rest of society to take care of.

He didn't ... SHE DID.

This promotes personal responsibility.
Promotes consequences of actions.

All current laws do is allow women to be selfish in their decision knowing the man and the State will be forced to pay.
 
A man always has an option, to think with his head or his little head. When he thinks with his little head , it is no excuse for opting out of whatever he foolishly obligated his DNA and pockets to deal with. But a coward ducks, runs and hides. There's no justification for a coward's actions, or justification for not standing up to the responsibilities he created, and he gets no sympathy when he whines about the results. It takes two to tango. If one doesn't like the dance, live like a wallflower and converse with handgelica, his first experience.

What an idiotic post. Doesn't factor in any of the actual argument. :lol:
 
No no no. Bodhi gets like this every so often.
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They chose to have kids or get the women they were with pregnant.

Bodi's argument is that he should be able to sleep around and if he gets someone pregnant not his issue.
It is pretty much the epitome of a lack of personal responsibility.

He goes further to argue that he didn't get pregnant the that he had nothing to do with it.
His lack of biology knowledge is amazing.

Men don't make women pregnant and dont choose to force a child on society... women do.

He like other men have to pay child support

Yes. For kids we chose to have during marriage. :roll:
 
You are ignoring the fact that she did not abort a child she could not afford...

Who says she could not afford a child? People have children all the time they can hardly afford but still make happen. A woman can afford a child but the father of that child also has responsibilities and financial burdens he has to carry for that child and that is called child support. And your fantasy law proposal is baseless and ridiculous in its entirety.
 
Who says she could not afford a child? People have children all the time they can hardly afford but still make happen. A woman can afford a child but the father of that child also has responsibilities and financial burdens he has to carry for that child and that is called child support. And your fantasy law proposal is baseless and ridiculous in its entirety.

:lol:
 
Goose, gander. Both parties, not just one, should get that second chance.

Sorry if 1 decides to keep the baby you must support the child. you don't get to burden society with the child.
 
You are just saying how it is now... and no... it is not done. She can abort.

She doesn't have to. If she chooses not to then you have a responsibility to support that child.
YOu don't get to dump your responsibility on the rest of society to support.

Again you have options to stop that from happening i highly suggest you learn about them and use them.

however if you choose to have unprotected sex with a women then you are willing to accept the consequences
of those actions along with her.
 
Woman gets pregnant.
Man does not want child (no opt out in this argument).
Woman has baby anyway.
Man pays 18 years of child support.
At 18 woman is put on a Payback plan to pay the man back because of her choice to have a child he did not want. She spends the next 20 years or whatever paying him back for her choice.

She would not be eligible for any government assistance until she pays off her debt.

Child cared for.

Promotes personal responsibility.

Promotes consequences for an action.

This is a new thought for me and will evolve.

This could and should become law.

or just stop being a dead beat dad and dont **** any one if you dont want to risk it
 
Men don't make women pregnant and dont choose to force a child on society... women do.
Yes. For kids we chose to have during marriage. :roll:

again you can see here his utter ignorance in how biology works.
so explain to us bodhi how women get pregnant without men.

I want everyone here to see your response to this.

Yep. if you didn't want the responsibility for paying child support then you should
have stated up front you didn't want them or better yet gone and gotten yourself snipped
and clipped and informed her of that. there are ways to take care of said issues.

so you had kids and are now complaining of having to support them.
it is called responsibility. you know that thing you mentioned in your OP.

If you never wanted kids which it sounds like you don't then you should have taken
the needed measures to stop that from happening.

because without a guy present she can't get pregnant biology 101.
 
What an idiotic post. Doesn't factor in any of the actual argument. :lol:

actually it was a great post and pretty much destroys your entire argument and it deals very much with the
actual argument.
 
Woman gets pregnant.
Man does not want child (no opt out in this argument).
Woman has baby anyway.
Man pays 18 years of child support.
At 18 woman is put on a Payback plan to pay the man back because of her choice to have a child he did not want. She spends the next 20 years or whatever paying him back for her choice.

She would not be eligible for any government assistance until she pays off her debt.

Child cared for.

Promotes personal responsibility.

Promotes consequences for an action.

This is a new thought for me and will evolve.

This could and should become law.

Nah not with you on that one bodhi
Like many many others we do support you/eachother with opting out early on just like the woman can

Consent to sex is never consent to giving birth and being a mother
The same should be true for a man. Consent to sex should never be consent to being a father, currently its forced on one and not the other.
 
or just stop being a dead beat dad and dont **** any one if you dont want to risk it

Straw Man.

Anything else?
 
again you can see here his utter ignorance in how biology works.
so explain to us bodhi how women get pregnant without men.

I want everyone here to see your response to this.

Men don't make women get pregnant- pretty basic


Yep. if you didn't want the responsibility for paying child support then you should
have stated up front you didn't want them or better yet gone and gotten yourself snipped
and clipped and informed her of that. there are ways to take care of said issues.

so you had kids and are now complaining
of having to support them.
it is called responsibility. you know that thing you mentioned in your OP.

If you never wanted kids which it sounds like you don't then you should have taken
the needed measures to stop that from happening

Here is why i shouldn't bother responding... you just make **** up.

This argument is not about me but rather about the law is unequal ...

actually it was a great post and pretty much destroys your entire argument and it deals very much with the
actual argument.

Absolutely incorrect...
 
Goose, gander. Both parties, not just one, should get that second chance.

Totally separate issues. Here's the timeline:

Man & woman choose to have sex - joint responsibility for outcome

Man chooses whether to deposit his sperm into woman - bodily autonomy, full control, opportunity to prevent pregnancy

Man & woman conceive child - joint responsibility for outcome

Woman chooses whether to abort - bodily autonomy, man on the hook EITHER WAY, either for 1/2 cost of abortion, or 1/2 of first 18 years

Child is born - joint responsibility for outcome.

Teach this in school, and be done with it. And be a ****ing adult.
 
Totally separate issues. Here's the timeline:

Man & woman choose to have sex - joint responsibility for outcome

Man chooses whether to deposit his sperm into woman - bodily autonomy, full control, opportunity to prevent pregnancy

Man & woman conceive child - joint responsibility for outcome

Woman chooses whether to abort - bodily autonomy, man on the hook EITHER WAY, either for 1/2 cost of abortion, or 1/2 of first 18 years

Child is born - joint responsibility for outcome.

Teach this in school, and be done with it. And be a ****ing adult.

That doesn't address the argument of her paying him back for her choice...
 
That doesn't address the argument of her paying him back for her choice...

No, because, with all due respect, it's ridiculous. He wrote that check with his **** when he started blasting his seed about. No take backs.
 
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