Male Opt Out

This is such a /facepalm thread. As pointed out, both participants have birth control options prior to conception. If those methods fail, it is the woman who is physically/emotionally affected, and must make the decision for herself and her body. If both parties are being held out as "medically and legally equal", then if both want an abortion, then the male should undergo an equally painful procedure to his reproductive organs (such as catheterization with a spiny, rusted object, and charged the same amount as the female must pay to undergo similar pain to abort.

However, if she is morally opposed to abortion and chooses to carry the child to term, she can look forward to 9 months of increasing discomfort and unpredictable hours of agonizing labor and childbirth... but the man simply wants to suffer the agony of putting his signature on an opt-out form? :lol: Yeah, that's not equal, gentlemen, on any planet in the galaxy.

My advice? Use two things: Condoms and personal discretion.

This would be a lol-thread if it wasn't so self-indulgently serious.

year2late said:

There is physical risk with abortion. Even a medical abortion with the pill.

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There is physical risk in crossing the street or catching a ball...

blarg said:

true but if their is a kid dady need to pay the **** up because he gave his choice away when he stuck his dna in some one else

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Besides the spelling mistakes there is the lack of logic... so there is that.

DiAnna said:

This is such a /facepalm thread. As pointed out, both participants have birth control options prior to conception. If those methods fail, it is the woman who is physically/emotionally affected, and must make the decision for herself and her body. If both parties are being held out as "medically and legally equal", then if both want an abortion, then the male should undergo an equally painful procedure to his reproductive organs (such as catheterization with a spiny, rusted object, and charged the same amount as the female must pay to undergo similar pain to abort.

However, if she is morally opposed to abortion and chooses to carry the child to term, she can look forward to 9 months of increasing discomfort and unpredictable hours of agonizing labor and childbirth... but the man simply wants to suffer the agony of putting his signature on an opt-out form? :lol: Yeah, that's not equal, gentlemen, on any planet in the galaxy.

My advice? Use two things: Condoms and personal discretion.

This would be a lol-thread if it wasn't so self-indulgently serious.

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Amazing. You completely missed the point of the entire argument.

But you did introduce a "men should have a equally painful procedure"

That is new... so there is that...

Bodhisattva said:

Amazing. You completely missed the point of the entire argument.

But you did introduce a "men should have a equally painful procedure"

That is new... so there is that...

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Indeed. You are the one who is insisting on complete equality. What you really mean is, "if I don't want responsibility for the child, then I should be able to 'opt out' and that makes everything equal." It doesn't. It never will. Once a child is conceived, it is the woman and only the women who, no matter which option she chooses, will endure the physical and emotional pain.

Buy condoms, and use discretion. You cannot change biology, no matter how much you try to pretend that you can. The woman had choices to engage in consensual sex; so did the man. Both must take responsibility for the result.

DiAnna said:

Indeed. You are the one who is insisting on complete equality. What you really mean is, "if I don't want responsibility for the child, then I should be able to 'opt out' and that makes everything equal." It doesn't. It never will. Once a child is conceived, it is the woman and only the women who, no matter which option she chooses, will endure the physical and emotional pain.

Buy condoms, and use discretion. You cannot change biology, no matter how much you try to pretend that you can. The woman had choices to engage in consensual sex; so did the man. Both must take responsibility for the result.

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I never once uttered, "completely equal". I did say more equal though.

My proposition addresses that concept.

The argument is post conception... pre birth Choice.

Women wanted and got abortion rights.

Rightly so... I 100% support that. With that comes responsibility to ALL PARTIES... not just her feelings. He can opt out and she can make her choice.

Debate that.

Bodhisattva said:

I never once uttered, "completely equal". I did say more equal though.

My proposition addresses that concept.

The argument is post conception... pre birth Choice.

Women wanted and got abortion rights.

Rightly so... I 100% support that. With that comes responsibility to ALL PARTIES... not just her feelings. He can opt out and she can make her choice.

Debate that.

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Bull. ****. "Poor little me" idiocy, because "I didn't use birth control, so she can just suffer the agony of either abortion or birth, but the male can just walk away with "I sign an opt out, she suffers the physical/emotional agony , and I (the male) wipe my hands of the entire thing, physical and emotional, because, haha, I'm a man so tough ****, lady".

You want responsibility for ALL PARTIES, except the male who did not use birth control, who does not accept any responsibility for the pregnancy that could not happened without his consensual behavior... in other words, it's all HER FAULT and you want her to suffer the physical, financial and emotional pain while you sign a "contract" that says you are not responsible for any sperm that you may have ejaculated into the womb of willing female, who was probably a gold-digging slut. :lol:

Utterly ridiculous. I hope your daughters don't google this crap from you. I implore you to be a supportive father, not a vindictive ex who never wanted responsibility for his children and resents them intruding on his life. All I can say at this point, is what the hell is wrong with you?? I know you care for your daughters. How could you disrespect and demoralize them in such a public way, purely out of vengeance toward their mother??

Grow the fuck up. You have two beautiful and talented daughters. Be a father to them. They need you.

blarg said:

and when the father dosent want the child and the mother can force him to have full custody then that will be the same as what your proposing

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Not even close! I'm opposed to forcing anyone to do anything -- how in the world did you come up with that?

i am ready for equality between the sexes as far as is biologically allowed that giving men a choice till they blow a load and women the choice till they cant legally abort if 1 parent wants custody the other should at least pay

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I'm for equality -- period.

No excuses.

And, this has nothing to do with "wanting custody." This has nothing to do with children of divorce or separation. This only has to do with both parties to the sexual act having the choice to opt-out of an 18 year financial and emotional commitment if they don't want a child.

DiAnna said:

Bull. ****. "Poor little me" idiocy, because "I didn't use birth control, so she can just suffer the agony of either abortion or birth, but the male can just walk away with "I sign an opt out, she suffers the physical/emotional agony , and I (the male) wipe my hands of the entire thing, physical and emotional, because, haha, I'm a man so tough ****, lady".

You want responsibility for ALL PARTIES, except the male who did not use birth control, who does not accept any responsibility for the pregnancy that could not happened without his consensual behavior... in other words, it's all HER FAULT and you want her to suffer the physical, financial and emotional pain while you sign a "contract" that says you are not responsible for any sperm that you may have ejaculated into the womb of willing female, who was probably a gold-digging slut. :lol:

Utterly ridiculous. I hope your daughters don't google this crap from you. I implore you to be a supportive father, not a vindictive ex who never wanted responsibility for his children and resents them intruding on his life. All I can say at this point, is what the hell is wrong with you?? I know you care for your daughters. How could you disrespect and demoralize them in such a public way, purely out of vengeance toward their mother??

Grow the fuck up. You have two beautiful and talented daughters. Be a father to them. They need you.

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What an incredibly narrow-minded and bigoted post!

No one has ever said a woman should be forced to carry and raise a child. Just the opposite, in fact.

Rather, we're saying that both parties to the sex act should be able to opt-out of parenthood.

Yes, it is too bad that women (I am female) have to go through the physical part of pregnancy/birth/abortion, but, in most cases, especially with modern medicine, pain can be minimized if the woman so desires.

As I woman, I am aghast at the way some females want to keep women down by insinuating that they are lesser creatures than men. I get tired of all this "poor, poor, women" stuff that paints females as little victims of the great male-dominated society.

Teach your daughters to take responsibility for their own health and their own bodies. Teach them that getting pregnant without benefit of a committed relationship where both parties want the child is sheer stupidity and that it will reduce their chance of achieving their goals. Teach them that they will not create an optimal situation in which to raise a child by having a baby the biological father does not want. Teach them that "trapping" the father via pregnancy shows how little they really think of themselves, and that it could very easily turn into hatred between parents -- and no child deserves that. Teach them that, in the long run, because it's their body that gets pregnant, they must take every possible step to avoid that pregnancy.

Oh, and to quote a poster here -- grow the fuck up.

DiAnna said:

Indeed. You are the one who is insisting on complete equality. What you really mean is, "if I don't want responsibility for the child, then I should be able to 'opt out' and that makes everything equal." It doesn't. It never will. Once a child is conceived, it is the woman and only the women who, no matter which option she chooses, will endure the physical and emotional pain.

Buy condoms, and use discretion. You cannot change biology, no matter how much you try to pretend that you can. The woman had choices to engage in consensual sex; so did the man. Both must take responsibility for the result.

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This is why I like "opt out before penetration" It might convince men and women to be more serious about contraception.

Or not.:lamo

year2late said:

There is physical risk with abortion. Even a medical abortion with the pill.

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There is a physical risk in having sex, even protected sex, with someone.

vegas giants said:

There is a physical risk in having sex, even protected sex, with someone.

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Yup, and one of those risks is pregnancy. And if a child is born they are both responsible.

I am all for folks working this out on their own.

But when two people have sex, and a baby is born....hell if I want taxpayer money tapped before both parents.

I think we need to be more "fair" with child support and custody.

But I grow tired of this inequality crap. It will NEVER be equal. We all have choices. Yes, some are dependent on biology. One side accepts 100% of the risk if pregnancy occurs.

Both parties need to use contraception for the best chance in prevention of pregnancy

year2late said:

Yup, and one of those risks is pregnancy. And if a child is born they are both responsible.

I am all for folks working this out on their own.

But when two people have sex, and a baby is born....hell if I want taxpayer money tapped before both parents.

I think we need to be more "fair" with child support and custody.

But I grow tired of this inequality crap. It will NEVER be equal. We all have choices. Yes, some are dependent on biology. One side accepts 100% of the risk if pregnancy occurs.

Both parties need to use contraception for the best chance in prevention of pregnancy

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Yep. And after conception there is a remedy that relieves both parties of any financial liability. If one party does not want to take it then they assume financial liability. That can apply to the man or woman.

"Woman, you will abort that baby or die penniless. I will have no responsibility for my actions".

Yeah, that's not Stone Age. Maybe the man should be allowed to sell the woman to recoup his costs?

DiAnna said:

Bull. ****. "Poor little me" idiocy, because "I didn't use birth control, so she can just suffer the agony of either abortion or birth, but the male can just walk away with "I sign an opt out, she suffers the physical/emotional agony , and I (the male) wipe my hands of the entire thing, physical and emotional, because, haha, I'm a man so tough ****, lady".

You want responsibility for ALL PARTIES, except the male who did not use birth control, who does not accept any responsibility for the pregnancy that could not happened without his consensual behavior... in other words, it's all HER FAULT and you want her to suffer the physical, financial and emotional pain while you sign a "contract" that says you are not responsible for any sperm that you may have ejaculated into the womb of willing female, who was probably a gold-digging slut. :lol:

Utterly ridiculous. I hope your daughters don't google this crap from you. I implore you to be a supportive father, not a vindictive ex who never wanted responsibility for his children and resents them intruding on his life. All I can say at this point, is what the hell is wrong with you?? I know you care for your daughters. How could you disrespect and demoralize them in such a public way, purely out of vengeance toward their mother??

Grow the fuck up. You have two beautiful and talented daughters. Be a father to them. They need you.

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You are not addressing the topic and this has nothing to do with my situation or kids... it has to do with a couple of guys I know that were tricked into becoming a parent in addition to unfair laws.

I read your story and am not writing you off but you need to stop transfering your anger onto me.

ecofarm said:

"Woman, you will abort that baby or die penniless. I will have no responsibility for my actions".

Yeah, that's not Stone Age. Maybe the man should be allowed to sell the woman to recoup his costs?

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Selling people is illegal...

vegas giants said:

Yep. And after conception there is a remedy that relieves both parties of any financial liability. If one party does not want to take it then they assume financial liability. That can apply to the man or woman.

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When a woman aborts, it is usually not just about money. She is not in a social, physical, financial, emotional postion to be pregnant - let alone have a child.

Bodhisattva said:

You are not addressing the topic and this has nothing to do with my situation or kids... it has to do with a couple of guys I know that were tricked into becoming a parent in addition to unfair laws.

I read your story and am not writing you off but you need to stop transfering your anger onto me.

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I've come close a couple of times to mentioning this but held off -- waiting until someone else brought it up. It's incredibly embarrassing to me as a woman to know that other women do this, yet, I have known these types of women since I just a young girl. What they do should shame them to their very core, because it gives all women a bad name. It makes women appear to be needy, dishonest and deceptive.

Whisper, a website that allows members to share secrets is a repository of admissions from women who have tricked boyfriends/husbands. Scrolling down through these will make you nauseous.
https://www.babygaga.com/15-whisper-confessions-of-women-who-tricked-their-partner-into-pregnancy/

Sadly, these women have no self-esteem, and the current laws not only protect them, but encourage a whole new generation of females to pull the same trick.

HowardBThiname said:

I've come close a couple of times to mentioning this but held off -- waiting until someone else brought it up. It's incredibly embarrassing to me as a woman to know that other women do this, yet, I have known these types of women since I just a young girl. What they do should shame them to their very core, because it gives all women a bad name. It makes women appear to be needy, dishonest and deceptive.

Whisper, a website that allows members to share secrets is a repository of admissions from women who have tricked boyfriends/husbands. Scrolling down through these will make you nauseous.
https://www.babygaga.com/15-whisper-confessions-of-women-who-tricked-their-partner-into-pregnancy/

Sadly, these women have no self-esteem, and the current laws not only protect them, but encourage a whole new generation of females to pull the same trick.

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I had one good friend actively go out and find the "right guy" and she dated him a couple of weeks or so loving him up and at least twice getting him drunk enough to not use condoms in order to get pregnant because she wanted to be a mom. She dumped him when she was prgnant and hit him for child support. She was no longer my or our friend.

Bodhisattva said:

I had one good friend actively go out and find the "right guy" and she dated him a couple of weeks or so loving him up and at least twice getting him drunk enough to not use condoms in order to get pregnant because she wanted to be a mom. She dumped him when she was prgnant and hit him for child support. She was no longer my or our friend.

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Sadly, that's not an unusual story.

HowardBThiname said:

Sadly, that's not an unusual story.

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I know guys do all sorts of immoral stuff but women do this stuff too... some of those comments were so wrong.

HowardBThiname said:

Sadly, that's not an unusual story.

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Do you consider this type of situation the rule, not the exception?

Bodhisattva said:

Men need to be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutiinal right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course there are some exceptions).

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Question: If you cause a traffic accident, can the government force you to donate blood in order to save the life of the person whose car you hit?
Answer: Abso****inglutely not!

Question: If you cause a traffic accident, can the government force you to pay the medical bills incurred by the person whose car you hit?
Answer: Asbso****inglutely yes!

QED
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MrWonka said:

Question: If you cause a traffic accident can the government force you to donate blood in order to save the life of the person whose care you hit?
Answer: Abso****inglutely not!

Question: If you cause a traffic accident can the government force you to pay the medical bills incurred by the person whose care you hit?
Answer: Asbso****inglutely yes!

QED
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How do traffic accidents relate to abortion?

Bodhisattva said:

I had one good friend actively go out and find the "right guy" and she dated him a couple of weeks or so loving him up and at least twice getting him drunk enough to not use condoms in order to get pregnant because she wanted to be a mom. She dumped him when she was prgnant and hit him for child support. She was no longer my or our friend.

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She would not be my friend either. Still his responsibility to protect himself.
Kind of like drinking and driving ...your judgement is impaired but you still have responsibility