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Pro Life Walk out

year2late said:
If the students were pragmatic...they would march for prevention of unwanted pregnancy.

After all, the BEST way to prevent abortion is to prevent the unwanted pregnancy in the first place.

Anyone with half a brain knows that slut shaming and fingerwagging is the least effective way to prevent abortion.
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And the 100% guaranteed way to prevent it is abstinence. There is no other way around it. Wait until marriage, what's so difficult about that?
 
Bassman said:
And the 100% guaranteed way to prevent it is abstinence. There is no other way around it. Wait until marriage, what's so difficult about that?
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No need to. Abortion is legal in every city in the country
 
Bassman said:
And the 100% guaranteed way to prevent it is abstinence. There is no other way around it. Wait until marriage, what's so difficult about that?
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It’s more difficult than it used to be, because it is a longer wait. The wait is about 10 or more years later than a couple of generations ago.

60 or 70 years ago the average age to be married was late teens early 20s.

In today’s economy many delay marriage until after college and once they get their career started which is more often when they are in their late 20s or early 30s.

But don’t kid yourself , even in the 1930s about one third of married white women aborted their first pregnancy.
 
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Bassman said:
And the 100% guaranteed way to prevent it is abstinence. There is no other way around it. Wait until marriage, what's so difficult about that?
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We all know if every person on the planet subscribed to your beliefs that the world would be utopia, heaven on earth. But thank goodness that’s not how the world works.
 
Removable Mind said:
I get that you are rooting for the yet to be born.

But you need to be keenly aware that the majority of pro-choice women won’t have an abortion but they understand the necessity to have the right to abort, including abortion on demand prior to viability.

It’s impossible for you to know all of the life circumstances that are the impetus to have an abortion on demand. So to stand in judgment of women you don’t remote know, you don’t even know that they’ve had an abortion and the reason why (whether or not you agree with their reason), is simply saying that you value the yet to be born over the women.
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I dont really care, because 'he gets it'. He can be as judgemental as he wants, but he still prioritizes, "values", women more than the unborn. It's a basic recognition of reality and lord knows we all dont always like the realities of life.

There's a Constitution and real life women who participate in society that would be impacted in that participation (very possibly for the worse...only they can know) if, by law, we were forced to remain pregnant against our will. That's also not remotely moral and it's not possible under the legal system we've chosen to follow in this country.

Making tough decisions that are unpleasant but necessary is a part of life. It's the same with examining issues and trying to balance the public good with the individual, and even individual rights between individuals.
 
Bullseye said:
Just a question: What defines a "person"? This has always puzzled me about the Pro-choice ideology. It's like one minute the "thing" isn't a person the it pops out of mom and voila it's a person. What magic occurs?
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It's hard to discern when personhood begins, but for the anti-choice crowd, it ends as soon as the baby pops its head out. Particularly if it is nonwhite.

(Inb4 the infantile accusation of my "playing the 'race card'")
 
Lursa said:
I dont really care, because 'he gets it'. He can be as judgemental as he wants, but he still prioritizes, "values", women more than the unborn. It's a basic recognition of reality and lord knows we all dont always like the realities of life.

There's a Constitution and real life women who participate in society that would be impacted in that participation (very possibly for the worse...only they can know) if, by law, we were forced to remain pregnant against our will. That's also not remotely moral and it's not possible under the legal system we've chosen to follow in this country.

Making tough decisions that are unpleasant but necessary is a part of life. It's the same with examining issues and trying to balance the public good with the individual, and even individual rights between individuals.
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I hear ya. It’s hard to believe that most anti-abortion advocates value stages of pregnancies that they don’t know exists. And they condemn women for abortions that they don’t know are performed. They condemn women for abortions on demand and they don’t have a clue why they have abortions. Anti-abortion advocates wouldn’t know how many abortions were performed if government didn’t collect data on abortion and publish that data. But worst of all anti-abortion advocates want to dismantle women’s rights to Due Process, which includes right to privacy, to allow government to control their reproductive roles and self-determination. And really so much more, including their right to beliefs that the first amendment grants.

If anti-abortion advocates get it, then I don’t think we’d be engaging in the arguments that we do in this forum. Cognitive rigidity and reality apathy seems to control a lot of people.
 
Removable Mind said:
I hear ya. It’s hard to believe that most anti-abortion advocates value stages of pregnancies that they don’t know exists. And they condemn women for abortions that they don’t know are performed. They condemn women for abortions on demand and they don’t have a clue why they have abortions. Anti-abortion advocates wouldn’t know how many abortions were performed if government didn’t collect data on abortion and publish that data. But worst of all anti-abortion advocates want to dismantle women’s rights to Due Process, which includes right to privacy, to allow government to control their reproductive roles and self-determination. And really so much more, including their right to beliefs that the first amendment grants.

If anti-abortion advocates get it, then I don’t think we’d be engaging in the arguments that we do in this forum. Cognitive rigidity and reality apathy seems to control a lot of people.
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As much as pro-choice people get accused of dehumanizing the unborn, the extent to which pro-life people self-indulgently & unrealistically personify the unborn is very much on display. IMO it's how they stoke the levels of their self-righteousness.
 
Bassman said:
And the 100% guaranteed way to prevent it is abstinence. There is no other way around it. Wait until marriage, what's so difficult about that?
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Not your choice.

Not very realistic. It is this very lack of pragmatism that prevents greater strides in preventing abortion.

But go ahead with the slut shamming.
 
tecoyah said:
Yup...as soon as she gives birth the the baby she "Chooses" to have, though I've never heard anyone but you just now call it "Unviable Tissue Mass", not even sure that makes sense.
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Logicman said:
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Those who wish to away the woman’s right to choose abortion would also take away her right to religious liberty and reproductive justice.

From:
Reproductive justice assures that very woman has a human right to:

Decide if and when she will have a baby and the conditions under which she will give birth.
Decide if she will not have a baby and her options for preventing or ending a pregnancy through the use of contraceptives, abstinence, or abortion, and access to the resources to exercise her decision.
Parent the children she already has with the necessary social and economic supports in safe environments and healthy communities, and without fear of violence from individuals or the government.[1]
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Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice – Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice
 
Removable Mind said:
Radical propaganda! No human beings are aborted. Only embryos and early stage fetuses are aborted.
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And abortion is a consequence, just not the one they want to punish a woman with.

It's still a medical procedure with risks.
 
Logicman said:
You people ought to read the Bible sometime. Your secular mindset isn't making it.
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You might stop preaching at everyone and simply be a living example of your faith - as long as your not infringing on the others to do the same. “Let God take care of your light work.”, as my grandma use to say.
 
Bassman said:
Then you worship Satan. the Sovereign God of Creation is pro-life.
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God aborts babies every day... and allows the slaughter of the innocent children... kinda an asshole.. isnt he?
 
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