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    Re: pro-life[W:1119]

    Quote Originally Posted by caritas View Post
    What you said is not factually accurate. Right now the voters do not have a say. It doesn't matter if a pro-life abortion ban passes either by a state's representatives or directly through a ballot initiative. The law will not stand. So the voters clearly have no say.
    Why should voters have a say in someone's private medical decisions?

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    Re: pro-life[W:1119]

    Quote Originally Posted by caritas View Post
    What you said is not factually accurate. Right now the voters do not have a say. It doesn't matter if a pro-life abortion ban passes either by a state's representatives or directly through a ballot initiative. The law will not stand. So the voters clearly have no say. Also By ban I mean someone ewanting to get an abortion and not being able to. There is a partial birth abortion ban but it doesn't legally stop anyone from getting an abortion.
    Why didnt you address this?
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    Can you explain why you believe that the voters have the right to decide to violate women's Constitutional rights? Well, things are purposely structured so that 'the tyranny of the majority may not" do so, and the majority may not vote away the rights of the minority. Hence we were able to end segregation and Jim Crow laws in the South (for example).

    So no, the voters cant decide to vote for the government to force women to remain pregnant against their will but I would certainly like to read your legal justification for that. What legal reasons would you be basing that on?
    It explains why you are wrong about the people being able to vote on other people's Constitutional rights. Even if you disagree with it, it's true and so then you are just posting irrelevant (incorrect) personal opinion to him.
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    Re: pro-life[W:1119]

    Quote Originally Posted by caritas View Post
    What you said is not factually accurate. Right now the voters do not have a say. It doesn't matter if a pro-life abortion ban passes either by a state's representatives or directly through a ballot initiative. The law will not stand. So the voters clearly have no say. Also By ban I mean someone ewanting to get an abortion and not being able to. There is a partial birth abortion ban but it doesn't legally stop anyone from getting an abortion.
    You are simply incorrect. Voters do have a say; that doesn't mean they can simply cast a vote directly on the subject of abortion, since the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v Wade that abortion, under most circumstances, is a constitutional right. But since the Seventies, the main objective of abortion opponents is to get the ruling overturned. That's an example of "having a say"........voting for presidents and senators that would appoint justices likely to overturn the ruling.

    "Partial Birth Abortion"? Sorry, there's no such thing. On rare occasions, there are late-term abortions, almost always performed because a woman discovers late in her pregnancy some serious health problem with the fetus that would mean a serious birth defect or, usually, that the baby wouldn't live very long. These are tragic and extremely rare occurrences. And by the way: under Roe v. Wade states have the right to ban abortion outright during the third trimester, so long as exceptions are made for the life/health of the pregnant woman.

    "Partial Birth" Abortion is simply an invented term on the part of the pro-life movement to demagogue the issue. If you disagree, I'd challenge you to provide evidence that medical science recognizes the notion of a "partial birth....".......well, ANYTHING.

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    Re: pro-life[W:1119]

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Why should voters have a say in someone's private medical decisions?
    We all know why pro lifers are raising objections to abortion Scrabaholic. It has nothing to do with ''private medical decisions.''
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    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
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    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: pro-life[W:1119]

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Why should voters have a say in someone's private medical decisions?
    We all know why pro lifers are raising objections to abortion Scrabaholic. It has nothing to do with ''private medical decisions.''
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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