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Supreme Court should not allow California to force pro-life pregnancy centers to promote abortion

I'm not familiar with California and what all goes on there but as a prolifer who is in multiple groups I have no issues with a "medical center" being required to supply accurate information about medical option. Why would this bother anybody?

I have a huge problem with a place that disguises itself as a place to get medical care and is anything but.

One part of the law is to identify centers that are not licensed facilities. Why would anyone have an issue with this.

I am still trying to figure out the real ramifications of the law. People on this thread make it sound like they have to verbally discuss all options. I am not finding that requirement. I do see a requirement that indicates an 8 x11 inch sign be posted to tell a person how to get covered with Medicaid and some of the covered services. This sign only goes up in licensed facilities.

Unlicensed facilities just have to post a sign acknowledging that fact.

The sad part is that so many in the Crisis Pregnancy Center industry treat their mission as a scam. That is sad

I see nothing wrong with helping a woman see how it may be possible for her to safely deliver a healthy baby and how to keep the child safe and secure over the next 18 years.

If a potential client cannot call and get a direct answer on what their services are....they are just scammers.

AGreed you are both right.

Unless im missing something this is the way all medical facilities should be conducted IMO. While all and every option cant be provided the most common definitely should and when asked about information should be available. As far as licencing, if you are not licensed that should be very clear and any attempt to project otherwise should be a felony.
 
LOL more reason why these vile deceptive centers should be shut down (this goes for ANY center pro-life or pro-choice) and the laws should be changed where not just anybody can open them regulating them much more.
Now that doesnt mean ALL centers are like this but of course many are . . disgusting



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=752&v=4NNpkv3Us1I

now of course this is littered with humor and satire but dont let that hide the important facts in the information.
 
HOW IS THAT RELEVANT? Centers claiming to be "pro life" are obviously LYING,

If you claim that pro-life centres are lying, then I can also say that pro-abortion centres are lying, too. You are very biased and you don't even know it.

Also, I think it's very telling that you put sneer quotes around the term pro-life. You have already made up your mind that pro-lifers are bad/evil etc.

since they don't care a bit how much non-human life gets killed as a consequence of insisting human life must get born.

Or maybe the reason they don't mention non-human life is not because they don't care, but rather, it's because it is not the topic which they wish to address.

Being pro-life and being pro-animal (which is what I think you mean) are not mutually exclusive.
 
If you claim that pro-life centres are lying, then I can also say that pro-abortion centres are lying, too.
BUT CAN YOU SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM WITH EVIDENCE? The evidence supporting my claim is very clear --the more humans, the less other life there can be on this planet. Anyone claiming to be pro LIFE should be promoting all types of life, not just human life --especially when we know humans cannot survive without other life, and can't even reach maximum psychological health without other life.

You are very biased and you don't even know it.
BRAGGING ABOUT YOURSELF, I SEE. Tsk, tsk! Me, I earned my bias, across years of studying and demolishing idiotic anti-abortion arguments. Here's the list (which I wrote). It is extremely clear that abortion opponents are either poorly educated or Stupidly Prejudiced or brainwashed-from-birth or gullible fools believing what they've been told without question --possibly more than one of those things. Little else can explain the pure idiocy of most of their anti-abortion arguments (without them also being pure idiots, of course).

Also, I think it's very telling that you put sneer quotes around the term pro-life.
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY PROPAGANDISTICALLY WANT IT TO MEAN SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT LITERALLY SAYS. Literally, the phrase "pro life" puts no restrictions on the kinds of life being promoted/favored. Practically, abortion opponents act like it means "pro human life only, and all other life can die as far as they are concerned". Which is exactly why the usage of that phrase by abortion opponents counts as Propaganda. They want others to think they represent a higher ethic than they actually represent.

You have already made up your mind that pro-lifers are bad/evil etc.
MANY OF THEM ARE SIMPLY IGNORANT (see "poorly educated" above). If adequately educated, I expect a significant number of them would become pro-choicers. Others know the Facts already and don't care, because of their Stupid Prejudice, or their control-freak issues --how are they not evil, wanting to enslave pregnant women who don't want to stay pregnant?

Or maybe the reason they don't mention non-human life is not because they don't care, but rather, it's because it is not the topic which they wish to address.
DOESN'T MATTER. All they need do is openly expose their Stupid Prejudice and say they are pro human life. Why hide it with a less-accurate description? (Oh, that's right, evil doesn't like to be exposed!)

Being pro-life and being pro-animal (which is what I think you mean) are not mutually exclusive.
MORE SO THAN YOU MIGHT THINK. The total biomass in the world is relatively constant. Biomass includes all types of organic matter associated with life, including corpses and excrement. Sometimes some of it is sequestered (oil deposits, coal seams), and sometimes it re-enters the biosphere (humans have been de-sequestering coal and oil for quite a few decades). But overall, long term, the total biomass on the planet is relatively constant. And that means we have a Zero Sum Game regarding different types of life. The more human life in the world, the less other life there can be. Plain and simple.
 
If you claim that pro-life centres are lying, then I can also say that pro-abortion centres are lying, too. You are very biased and you don't even know it.

Also, I think it's very telling that you put sneer quotes around the term pro-life. You have already made up your mind that pro-lifers are bad/evil etc.



Or maybe the reason they don't mention non-human life is not because they don't care, but rather, it's because it is not the topic which they wish to address.

Being pro-life and being pro-animal (which is what I think you mean) are not mutually exclusive.

First of all, not all pregnancy support/crisis centers lie. Some emphatically deceive to get women in the door. Once in the door they give bold face lies to scare the crap out of them. The large number of bad apples ruin it for the good centers. The good ones do not try to deceive. They try to show a woman how she can make the pregnancy work and help her with resources.

There are multiple reports on the bad ones.

https://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/cr...r_iud_is_your_baby_plus_countless_other_lies/

Now, the information that Planned Parenthood discusses with their patients is readily available and verifiable. Can you give some examples of lies that Planned Parenthood tells their patients>
 
If you claim that pro-life centres are lying, then I can also say that pro-abortion centres are lying, too. You are very biased and you don't even know it.

Also, I think it's very telling that you put sneer quotes around the term pro-life. You have already made up your mind that pro-lifers are bad/evil etc.



Or maybe the reason they don't mention non-human life is not because they don't care, but rather, it's because it is not the topic which they wish to address.

Being pro-life and being pro-animal (which is what I think you mean) are not mutually exclusive.

I am still waiting for your evidence that Planned Parenthood lies to its patients. Much of their information they give to their clients is available on their websites and they give out similar literature in clinic.

What are they lying about?

I have acknowledged that there are quite a few CPCs that are not deceptive. They truly seem invested in showing the woman a path to motherhood without deception and lying.

But many fall into the guidelines explained in this article.

https://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/cr...r_iud_is_your_baby_plus_countless_other_lies/

The laws are emerging because of the deceptive activity....

But Wan, I would be interested to hear of any widespread lying from practioner to patient that is going on at Planned Parenthood. I would be the first person in line to give them crap about it.
 
Pro-life centers should be forced to do forced abortions...
 
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