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Supreme Court should not allow California to force pro-life pregnancy centers to promote abortion

Why should a doctor not be allowed to tell (not promote...there's a huge difference) a pregnant woman about all her medical options?
 
Lursa said:
Why should a doctor not be allowed to tell (not promote...there's a huge difference) a pregnant woman about all her medical options?
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There is no logical and rational reason for them to not be allowed IMO a doctor not doing so is participating in malpractice and the topic/condition doesnt matter.
 
CLAX1911 said:
No you're not you're just ranting and raving about nonsense.
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A STUPID LIE. You cannot support that claim with any evidence whatsoever. Facts are Facts, and so-called "pro life" folks are using a misleading label for themselves. They do not claim they are "pro human fetus life", for example. They want you to believe they are better than the Stupidly Prejudiced Idiots that an actually-accurate label would reveal them to be. It is Propaganda, much like calling an unborn human a "baby" --that word reminds one of a cuddly entity in a carriage or crib, while The Fact Is, an actual unborn human is using its attached placenta to steal biological resources from its mother, and to poison her. The actuality is very different from the Propaganda!
 
FutureIncoming said:
A STUPID LIE. You cannot support that claim with any evidence whatsoever. Facts are Facts, and so-called "pro life" folks are using a misleading label for themselves. They do not claim they are "pro human fetus life", for example. They want you to believe they are better than the Stupidly Prejudiced Idiots that an actually-accurate label would reveal them to be. It is Propaganda, much like calling an unborn human a "baby" --that word reminds one of a cuddly entity in a carriage or crib, while The Fact Is, an actual unborn human is using its attached placenta to steal biological resources from its mother, and to poison her. The actuality is very different from the Propaganda!
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FutureIncoming said:
Facts are Facts, and so-called "pro life" folks are using a misleading label for themselves.
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thats not a fact by any measurement whatsoever, none. its what you are dishonestly inventing and claiming but its a lie. Thanks for sharing your FEELINGS on the matter but they simply don't matter to reality and facts. Disagree prove its factually(not subjectively based on your feelings) a misleading label. ready, go!
 
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AGENT J said:
thats not a fact by any measurement whatsoever, none. its what you are dishonestly inventing and claiming but its a lie. Thanks for sharing your FEELINGS on the matter but they simply don't matter to reality and facts. Disagree prove its factually(not subjectively based on your feelings) its a misleading label. ready, go!
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:cool:
 
DarkWizard12 said:
So if a pro-life center doesn't provide any abortion services, why would you want them to advertise that they do? It's like forcing a baker to advertise for a butcher shop; it makes absolutely no sense unless you just have some hateful grudge against pro-life individuals
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They dont have to provide the service, they can provide a referral. Why should they demand a woman accede to their agenda when a woman must keep her own best interests, and that of her family (current and future) foremost?
 
year2late said:
Exactly....they are fine with women being forced to have a medically unnecessary ultrasound prior to an abortions..
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Exactly. Professionally, I develop training for ultrasound systems for sonographers. We use live OB models for hands-on scanning during these sessions and the OP models have strict limits on how much scanning may take place.
 
Kal'Stang said:
This is compelled speech. No. Just...no. No matter what side of the spectrum you are on this (or any subject quite frankly) no government should be forcing anyone to advertise or say anything that they do not wish to.
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How does that apply to medical professionals that must allow their patients to know their options?
 
From what I can find (please correct me if I am wrong!!), it looks like this is the sign the law asks the licensed facility to post

California has public programs that provide immediate free or low-cost access to comprehensive family planning services (including all FDA-approved methods of contraception), prenatal care, and abortion for eligible women. To determine whether you qualify, contact the county social services office at [insert the telephone number].
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California Reproductive FACT Act challenged by crisis pregnancy centers.

And this is what is asked of the unlicensed facility

This facility is not licensed as a medical facility by the State of California and has no licensed medical provider who provides or directly supervises the provision of services.
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These are signs.

Is there any other requirement?
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CLAX1911 said:
incorrect you are ranting and raving about nonsense.

There are pro-life with regard to the abortion debate just because they're not rabid misanthropic vegans doesn't mean they're not pro-life with regard to the abortion debate
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I am ok with the moniker "pro-life" ....I understand the context.

But when the pro-lifers misinterpret the prochoice POV and call them "pro-abortion" ....

That is when they cease to be "pro-life" and become "pro-fetus"

Does that make sense?
 
year2late said:
I am ok with the moniker "pro-life" ....I understand the context.

But when the pro-lifers misinterpret the prochoice POV and call them "pro-abortion" ....

That is when they cease to be "pro-life" and become "pro-fetus"

Does that make sense?
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yes it does. I personally am pro life, but I don't believe that pro choice people just want to kill babies. Some of the pro choice arguments make sense and even give me pause.

The only way to have a rational discussion on this is to understands people with different view points are not evil because they don't agree with you.

So I completely understand that.
 
CLAX1911 said:
yes it does. I personally am pro life, but I don't believe that pro choice people just want to kill babies. Some of the pro choice arguments make sense and even give me pause.

The only way to have a rational discussion on this is to understands people with different view points are not evil because they don't agree with you.

So I completely understand that.
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And frankly, most prochoice women would not chose abortion. They just do not believe they have the right to interfere with such a decision.

I will use the same Pro-life "not really being pro-life" but it is usually after the pro abortion and murder words have been flung.:lamo
 
AGENT J said:
thats not a fact by any measurement whatsoever, none.
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YOUR MERE UNSUPPORTED BLATHER/CLAIM IS TOTALLY WORTHLESS. Try proving that "pro life' only means "pro human fetus life" and not anything else whatsoever. Since you can't, it is you who are wrong. Tsk, tsk!
 
CLAX1911 said:
incorrect you are ranting and raving about nonsense.
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TYPICAL WORTHLESS DENUNCIATION, OFTEN BLATHERED BY ABORTION OPPONENTS WHO DON'T HAVE A VALID ARGUMENT. I've encountered such numerous times over the years here. You can't support your blather with evidence. Period.

CLAX1911 said:
There are pro-life with regard to the abortion debate
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WHAT ONE PERSON WANTS SOMETHING TO MEAN DOES NOT CAUSE EVERYONE TO KNOW OR AGREE WITH THAT MEANING. For example, consider "life" as often used in the phrase "get a life!". Since there are folks who will explain in detail how a pregnancy can interfere with that kind of life, those folks can be both "pro life" and supporters of a woman's choice to abort. Without in the least being silly or contradictory or misleading about it. Except abortion opponents would complain, right? And therefore anyone is free to complain about how abortion opponents use the phrase "pro life".

CLAX1911 said:
just because they're not rabid misanthropic vegans
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NOT NECESSARY. Plenty of non-vegans fully support the prevention of extinction of various nonhuman species. Some of them won't mind in the least applying a flamethrower to a kudzu patch, either. For these folks there is a well-known Truth: Too Much Of Any Good Thing Is Always A Bad Thing. They understand that there is too much human life in the world --here's some of the very latest evidence regarding that FACT. And they understand that in various places there is too much kudzu life in the world, too.

CLAX1911 said:
doesn't mean they're not pro-life with regard to the abortion debate
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SEE ABOVE ABOUT "GET A LIFE!" Anyone who wants everyone to fully understand a particular political position needs to be extremely clear, not vague in the slightest, about how that position is described. And as I explained in my previous message to you, abortion opponents are blathering Propaganda, not precision.
 
FutureIncoming said:
YOUR MERE UNSUPPORTED BLATHER/CLAIM IS TOTALLY WORTHLESS. Try proving that "pro life' only means "pro human fetus life" and not anything else whatsoever. Since you can't, it is you who are wrong. Tsk, tsk!
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Translation: you cant support your failed claim with ONE single fact that makes it true. LMAO please let us know when you can, thanks!
 
year2late said:
And frankly, most prochoice women would not chose abortion. They just do not believe they have the right to interfere with such a decision.
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I agree with that. Because women have the choice to abort it isn't the government's place to interfere. However if an individual or group exists to help women in a predicament where they would consider an abortion I have no issue with them advertising.

I will use the same Pro-life "not really being pro-life" but it is usually after the pro abortion and murder words have been flung.:lamo
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Understandable
 
FutureIncoming said:
TYPICAL WORTHLESS DENUNCIATION, OFTEN BLATHERED BY ABORTION OPPONENTS WHO DON'T HAVE A VALID ARGUMENT. I've encountered such numerous times over the years here. You can't support your blather with evidence. Period.


WHAT ONE PERSON WANTS SOMETHING TO MEAN DOES NOT CAUSE EVERYONE TO KNOW OR AGREE WITH THAT MEANING. For example, consider "life" as often used in the phrase "get a life!". Since there are folks who will explain in detail how a pregnancy can interfere with that kind of life, those folks can be both "pro life" and supporters of a woman's choice to abort. Without in the least being silly or contradictory or misleading about it. Except abortion opponents would complain, right? And therefore anyone is free to complain about how abortion opponents use the phrase "pro life".


NOT NECESSARY. Plenty of non-vegans fully support the prevention of extinction of various nonhuman species. Some of them won't mind in the least applying a flamethrower to a kudzu patch, either. For these folks there is a well-known Truth: Too Much Of Any Good Thing Is Always A Bad Thing. They understand that there is too much human life in the world --here's some of the very latest evidence regarding that FACT. And they understand that in various places there is too much kudzu life in the world, too.


SEE ABOVE ABOUT "GET A LIFE!" Anyone who wants everyone to fully understand a particular political position needs to be extremely clear, not vague in the slightest, about how that position is described. And as I explained in my previous message to you, abortion opponents are blathering Propaganda, not precision.
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Its a shame you typed all of that nonsense. Your point is ridiculous.
 
Lursa said:
How does that apply to medical professionals that must allow their patients to know their options?
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And frankly, the requirement for a non licensed facility is simply disclosure of non licensed status.

The requirement of a licensed facility is to post a notice (the size of binder paper) that states what health care options are available for low income individuals and a digital readout of the same.

California has public programs that provide immediate free or low-cost access to comprehensive family planning services (including all FDA-approved methods of contraception), prenatal care, and abortion for eligible women. To determine whether you qualify, contact the county social services office at [insert the telephone number].
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It sounds like the MD does not have to talk to them about anything. (correct me if I am wrong)
 
CLAX1911 said:
Its a shame you typed all of that nonsense. Your point is ridiculous.
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NO MORE RIDICULOUS THAN YOUR STUPID DEFENSE OF STUPID PROPAGANDA. By definition, Propaganda allows anyone to use any word(s) to mean anything they want. But that doesn't mean everyone else automatically knows that meaning --or agrees with it when they do learn it. And in this particular case, not only am I free to disagree with abortion opponents about their Propaganda, I choose to disagree about their Propaganda. Let's see....what did you recently write, that you should consider being advice to yourself? Oh, yeah:
CLAX1911 said:
... deal with it.
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AGENT J said:
Translation: you cant support your failed claim with ONE single fact that makes it true. LMAO please let us know when you can, thanks!
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YOU JUST PROVED YOUR INABILITY FOR ME. Since you totally failed to show that "pro life" only means "pro human fetus life", and can never be interpreted as meaning something else.
 
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