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Student Planning Abortion Protest After School Shooting Walkout

SoulFire77 said:
Oh boy, more super accurate polling data from the Left!

Are you sure the Russians haven't altered that data in some way?
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Gallup polls are from the left?? Thats a new one LMAO
I see, nevermind i thought you might be a serious poster. My mistake.

uuhm do you have other data from a better source that suggests something totally different? we'd love to read it :)
 
AGENT J said:
Gallup polls are from the left?? Thats a new one LMAO
I see, nevermind i thought you might be a serious poster. My mistake.

uuhm do you have other data from a better source that suggests something totally different? we'd love to read it :)
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Boy, you Lefties sure lose your sense of humor quick when someone starts yanking your chain, don't you?

I was NOT serious, I was joking. You guys slay me...
 
SoulFire77 said:
1.) Boy, you Lefties sure lose your sense of humor quick when someone starts yanking your chain, don't you?
2.) I was NOT serious, I was joking. You guys slay me...
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1.) not a lefty
2.) what suggest i lost a sense of humor, me laughing at you and saying LOL? (maybe thats a joke too since it makes as much sense as your other ones) lol
3.) so you are now saying the following claims were all jokes?

abortion = murder
if there was a vote its a fact abortion would be illegal
republicans came out of the wood work to vote for trump
gallup poll is a a lefty poll

Seems to me you are just drowning quickly and now back pedaling but ill take your word for it. all those were just "jokes" :)
 
AGENT J said:
1.) not a lefty
2.) what suggest i lost a sense of humor, me laughing at you and saying LOL? (maybe thats a joke too since it makes as much sense as your other ones) lol
3.) so you are now saying the following claims were all jokes?

abortion = murder
if there was a vote its a fact abortion would be illegal
republicans came out of the wood work to vote for trump
gallup poll is a a lefty poll

Seems to me you are just drowning quickly and now back pedaling but ill take your word for it. all those were just "jokes" :)
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No, the joke was about the Gallup poll. Abortion is murder. A fetus is a baby. While most people would make some some sort allowance for certain abortions (rape/incest, etc.) Most Americans DO NOT support abortion on demand, as your own poll shows.

No backpedaling required.
 
SoulFire77 said:
Right, pro-life people baked the fetus cookies! That is always the answer when abortion advocates are faced with their own twisted, disgusting behavior! "It must be some sort of trick!" It was actually an atheist club at the University of North Georgia that sat around eating babies like Molech with a sweet tooth.

You are defending the murder of babies with your post-Nazi eugenics excuses, and you have the nerve to address my spirituality?? Lady, it is your lack of judgment that has trapped you in the immoral delusion that you are sitting in today! "Babies aren't really babies until they are born..."

Your perspective is not only limited, but morally bankrupt.

Here is a story about Planned Parenthood wanting abortion to be promoted to children in a future Disney film, where they would like to see a Disney princess have an abortion...

Planned Parenthood: ?We Need a Disney Princess Who's Had an Abortion?

Is this another "trick of the pro-life movement"?? Or, are abortion advocates a bunch of perverted sickos??

Tell me again how "no one shouts abortion's praises from the rooftops"....
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I posted a clearly spelled out list of reasons why abortion can be societally and morally RIGHT. You only consider the unborn and never the mother...the person who will pay the consequences in 'real life.'

If you would see women denied abortions, up to and including their lives (because for the 900 women who die in the US every year, and the 86,000 that have severe health damage those consequences were not predicted and the harm not prevented)...then you hold no moral High Ground here. You cannot save those women...that choice can only be made by a woman who CHOOSES to take that risk with her body and her life. Not by some stranger who wont die, who wont have a stroke, who wont be in a vegetative state while her family prays for her to revive.

You mention cookies and 'stories' about PP but you provide no sources. I still bet that those cookies were baked by pro-life people to make the pro-choice view look bad. Your Disney story clearly states that it was "an attempt to make a point about the importance of telling stories that challenge stigma." But you dont care about that...you want to see these women punished.

You try to play the Nazi card but my responses were all demonstrating the positive effects on women and society...can you name one negative affect that abortion has on society? And dont bother with the old saw, "how many Beethovens and Einsteins have been killed!" because there would be an equal number of Hitlers and Jeffrey Dahmers eliminated as well.
 
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SoulFire77 said:
So, let's put abortion to a vote then... If 51% of the country says no more abortions, would you be okay with that?

We can hold a concert afterwards, we'll call it Comstock.
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The Founding Fathers intentionally set up our Constitution and governing system to NOT allow a tyranny of the majority over the minority, so no...the majority should never be able to violate an individual's personal liberty that way, in this case a woman's bodily sovereignty and right to self-determination.
 
SoulFire77 said:
Most Americans DO NOT support abortion on demand, as your own poll shows.

No backpedaling required.
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You are lying again. You said
SoulFire77 said:
It doesn't change the fact that abortion WOULD BE illegal if America was allowed to vote on it.
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You did not say anything about abortion on demand until you had to backpedal because Gallup proved you are wrong.
 
SoulFire77 said:
I've already made it clear that I don't think making abortion illegal is the answer (see post#44).

It doesn't change the fact that abortion WOULD BE illegal if America was allowed to vote on it. Put it on the ballot in 2020 and see if a democrat takes the presidency then! You think conservatives came out of the woodwork to vote for Trump...
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So then what's the point of your diatribes? Just to judge women with your self-righteous outrage (as our Lord has told you is a sin?) Just because you value women's lives less than that of the unborn doesnt give you any moral High Ground at all. How is that more moral? The entirety of a woman's life and future matters just as much and a life is more than just breathing.

You reduce the unborn to numbers...you want quantity while I want quality of life.

"If you think the mother's will should be overcome to give birth, you do not value both equally. You are valuing the unborn over women."
 
SoulFire77 said:
1.) No, the joke was about the Gallup poll.
2.) Abortion is murder.
3.) A fetus is a baby.
4.) While most people would make some some sort allowance for certain abortions (rape/incest, etc.) Most Americans DO NOT support abortion on demand, as your own poll shows.
5.)No backpedaling required.
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1.) ok
2.) except its factually not. no definition exist that makes it murder. People right, left center, pro choice and prolife agree on this fact.
If you disagree i would love for you to try and prove otherwise because it will fail.
3.) you are free to feel tht way. the names are meaningless to me and dont impact the discussion in any way.
4.) my own poll? what poll did i post? i didnt post any poll and no the pool doesn't support what you claim.
5.) would have been better if you did back pedal because now you are just factually wrong. Whether you are wrong due to topical ignorance or dishonesty remains unseen. Guess we'll find out which one soon.
 
Lursa said:
I posted a clearly spelled out list of reasons why abortion can be societally and morally RIGHT. You only consider the unborn and never the mother...the person who will pay the consequences in 'real life.'

If you would see women denied abortions, up to and including their lives (because for the 900 women who die in the US every year, and the 86,000 that have severe health damage those consequences were not predicted and the harm not prevented)...then you hold no moral High Ground here. You cannot save those women...that choice can only be made by a woman who CHOOSES to take that risk with her body and her life. Not by some stranger who wont die, who wont have a stroke, who wont be in a vegetative state while her family prays for her to revive.

You mention cookies and 'stories' about PP but you provide no sources. I still bet that those cookies were baked by pro-life people to make the pro-choice view look bad. Your Disney story clearly states that it was "an attempt to make a point about the importance of telling stories that challenge stigma." But you dont care about that...you want to see these women punished.

You try to play the Nazi card but my responses were all demonstrating the positive effects on women and society...can you name one negative affect that abortion has on society? And dont bother with the old saw, "how many Beethovens and Einsteins have been killed!" because there would be an equal number of Hitlers and Jeffrey Dahmers eliminated as well.
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The damage to women is over-stated... It's simple math... 650,000 - 96,900 = 553,100 "on demand" abortions, performed as birth control. That's half a million dead children due to failure to practice effective birth control in advance of conception.

I don't want to see women punished. I want them to take responsibility for their actions.

If a man helps to conceives a child, he is accountable for that child legally for 18 years minimum. He can't force the woman to have an abortion because he wants out of the responsibility. Women don't deserve to have that option either.
 
roughdraft274 said:
So the highschoolers are under the impression that they can be aborted at 16 years of age or something?

I don't think schools should have allowed the gun protest walkouts. Or at the very least they should have given detention to anyone that left class to do so because school should be about learning. You protest on your own time unless it's something that that actual school is doing that's egregious enough to warrant a walk out. But at least the gun protest is something that actually affects the kids somehow. Someone could come in their school with a high powered assault rifle and take their heads off. No one is going to take a 16 year old to planned parenthood and force an abortion on them.
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So you can only fight for your life and not the lives of others?
 
sangha said:
You are lying again. You said


You did not say anything about abortion on demand until you had to backpedal because Gallup proved you are wrong.
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You see that little line on the chart, way down there by the one you wanted me to look at? That's the status quo. You have posted something that proves the EXACT OPPOSITE of the point you were trying to make, and you wonder why I'm laughing!
 
Felis Leo said:
I must respectfully disagree, sangha. If, for example, a school board never punishes truancy, even if truancy is an offense on paper, then the school board is de facto allowing truancy, if not de jure. Likewise, if a school refuses to punish children for a violation of its policies by walking out during school hours when they support a cause that the majority of the school board/school staff agrees with, it is in effect allowing it. My only thought is if a school board believes that student walk-outs are permissible in support of a particular political cause that is near to many of the students' hearts, they should allow it for multiple political causes. Or, alternatively (and preferably in my view), for none at all. I think consistent application and enforcement of established rules are necessary for social cohesion, and selective enforcement only against particular social and political views not held by the established authority inevitably leads to social breakdown.

EDIT: And by the way, I should not say that I completely disagree. But what I am saying is that if a local school allows protests, they should allow ALL protests. If another local school does not allow protests, they must disallow ALL protests. I do not believe they should discriminate on the basis of ideological viewpoints from either end.
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The old referee's saying: "What you allow, you promote."
 
faithful_servant said:
So you can only fight for your life and not the lives of others?
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Never even suggested that. The students are more than welcome to fight for anything they want. I was merely commenting that only one of the movements has anything to do with kids in school and that one has absolutely nothing to do with it.

It's kind of like if I'm at work and they tell me that they are removing the coffee machine therefor I start a protest where all the employees walk out for 15 minutes to show management that we really want the coffee maker back. They wouldn't like it but they would probably say "well, they are serious, just let them have their 15 minutes and let it go" but if I were to get all the employees to take 15 minutes off of work because the coffee company down the street closed down and we weren't happy about it then the management would probably be pissed that we wasted 15 minutes of productivity over something that has nothing to do with work.

But regardless, after work I can fight for whatever I want.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Never even suggested that. The students are more than welcome to fight for anything they want. I was merely commenting that only one of the movements has anything to do with kids in school and that one has absolutely nothing to do with it.

It's kind of like if I'm at work and they tell me that they are removing the coffee machine therefor I start a protest where all the employees walk out for 15 minutes to show management that we really want the coffee maker back. They wouldn't like it but they would probably say "well, they are serious, just let them have their 15 minutes and let it go" but if I were to get all the employees to take 15 minutes off of work because the coffee company down the street closed down and we weren't happy about it then the management would probably be pissed that we wasted 15 minutes of productivity over something that has nothing to do with work.

But regardless, after work I can fight for whatever I want.
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So the highschoolers are under the impression that they can be aborted at 16 years of age or something?
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Then what did this comment mean??
 
faithful_servant said:
Then what did this comment mean??
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The students were saying that they were only doing this abortion walk out because of the gun control walkout. It was a snarky way of saying what I typed to you in my last response. Abortion has nothing to do with these kids and their school.

Keep in mind that my original post also pointed out that I didn't think allowing the gun control walkout was a good idea. I'm just merely pointing out that the two movements are different and the abortion one is even further out away from something I would deem a worthy cause to disrupt school work.
 
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