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And it was clearer than most of your arguments. :2razz:
Okey dokey pokey
And it was clearer than most of your arguments. :2razz:
Huh, and yet there's that law....
The law is contradictory. On one hand, the US Constitution protects me from debt peonage, and on the other, the federal government will reimburse states for incarcerating men who cannot afford to pay a debt.
How can I follow a legal code which contradicts itself? It is not possible. Moreover, it is not possible to enforce two laws which contradict one another.
It's not a debt. It's a responsibility based on income. A poor man is not assessed impossible child support. You act as if an impossible obligation is set and an innocent man is sent to jail. That's a victim fantasy.
Poor men are assessed impossible child support, and that is why men who fail to pay child support go to jail.
Innocent men are sent to jail. There is no fantasy here.
That's not how it works. That's a victim narrative.
Beyond your rhetoric, what proof do you have?
This is how it works. You say it doesn't work that way. It does. If you want to call it a victim narrative, then maybe that's because innocent men are victims of injustice.
That's incredibly vague. I've posted lots of statistics for my many claims. Can you be more specific?
Men incarcerated for failure to pay child support had no chance of meeting their obligations.
That's not exactly my claim. After all, those men were born in the first place, so they had a chance (in life) to meet those obligations.
The obligation is unjust in the first place. You are trying to twist my words in order to pretend that due process was afforded to these men.
If women were incarcerated for failure to create a human child, I might say they had a "chance" to "meet their obligation" despite having chosen abortion.
Abortion is legal for women and not men. Men do not have a choice in parentage.
You're claiming dead-beats are victims. Prove it.
What dead beats? These men are innocent. They have committed no crime, therefore they cannot be sent to prison for failure to pay a debt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
You claimed men who are incarcerated for failure to pay child support (not a debt) are victims of impossible obligations. Prove it. Show us the stats.
That's not exactly my claim. After all, those men were born in the first place, so they had a chance (in life) to meet those obligations.
The obligation is unjust in the first place. You are trying to twist my words in order to pretend that due process was afforded to these men.
If women were incarcerated for failure to create a human child, I might say they had a "chance" to "meet their obligation" despite having chosen abortion.
Abortion is legal for women and not men. Men do not have a choice in parentage.
Child support is a debt which cannot be discharged.
Again, my claim is that the obligation is unjust in the first place.
Do you have any further questions?
You claimed men who are incarcerated for failure to pay child support (not a debt) are victims of impossible obligations. Prove it. Show us the stats.
Child support is a debt which cannot be discharged.
Well...too bad...society doesnt find paying $$ for your sperm donation acceptable.
Another aspect of the misogynist 'opt out' fantasy.
1. Force a woman to do something with her body, or even "child", under threat.
2. Society should pay for my services.
And what prevents a couple from having the male 'opt out' for government assistance purpose? This rape and gift fantasy isn't thought through at all. It's like a fly trap for men with women-issues.
Yup
IMO, some men just cannot--will not--accept the fact that in the US, men can no longer have sex without consequences. It's a very deeply entrenched entitlement and when you read these discussions, it's barely acknowledged...but to get around it in more recent discussions, we now have the 'opt out' proposals to make it 'equal'.
"If she can have sex without consequences (women cannot, never could, still cant), then men should be able to". Hence the opt out before birth silliness.