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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

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    That's not exactly my claim. After all, those men were born in the first place, so they had a chance (in life) to meet those obligations.

    The obligation is unjust in the first place. You are trying to twist my words in order to pretend that due process was afforded to these men.

    If women were incarcerated for failure to create a human child, I might say they had a "chance" to "meet their obligation" despite having chosen abortion.

    Abortion is legal for women and not men. Men do not have a choice in parentage.
    You're claiming dead-beats are victims. Prove it.

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're claiming dead-beats are victims. Prove it.
    What dead beats? These men are innocent. They have committed no crime, therefore they cannot be sent to prison for failure to pay a debt.

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    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

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    What dead beats? These men are innocent. They have committed no crime, therefore they cannot be sent to prison for failure to pay a debt.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirte...s_Constitution
    You claimed men who are incarcerated for failure to pay child support (not a debt) are victims of impossible obligations. Prove it. Show us the stats.

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You claimed men who are incarcerated for failure to pay child support (not a debt) are victims of impossible obligations. Prove it. Show us the stats.
    Child support is a debt which cannot be discharged.

    Again, my claim is that the obligation is unjust in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    That's not exactly my claim. After all, those men were born in the first place, so they had a chance (in life) to meet those obligations.

    The obligation is unjust in the first place. You are trying to twist my words in order to pretend that due process was afforded to these men.

    If women were incarcerated for failure to create a human child, I might say they had a "chance" to "meet their obligation" despite having chosen abortion.

    Abortion is legal for women and not men. Men do not have a choice in parentage.
    Do you have any further questions?
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    Then, you can't complain about this.
    That's the thing about living in a free country, you don't get to pick and choose the rights you want protected. Either they're all protected, or none of them are.

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Child support is a debt which cannot be discharged.

    Again, my claim is that the obligation is unjust in the first place.



    Do you have any further questions?
    So you can't prove dead-beats are victims?

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You claimed men who are incarcerated for failure to pay child support (not a debt) are victims of impossible obligations. Prove it. Show us the stats.
    I have continually posted in various threads on this that child support is not punitive.

    Just because some feel that way about it doesnt make it true. It's an obligation based on a decision, a risk, knowingly taken.

    Some of these guys sound like gambler that roll the dice and then whine when they have to pay up.

    Men can 100% protect themselves here...but it seems some dont find that choice acceptable. Well...too bad...society doesnt find paying $$ for your sperm donation acceptable.
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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by Celebrity View Post
    Yeah, that refers to child support that a man or woman has not paid over time and is a big lump sum that they owe for their kid. It's not referring to individual payments.

    It's bad enough that when people declare bankruptcy, many businesses they owe get smaller or no repayments...now you suggest that would be acceptable for a child?
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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well...too bad...society doesnt find paying $$ for your sperm donation acceptable.
    Another aspect of the misogynist 'opt out' fantasy.

    1. Force a woman to do something with her body, or even "child", under threat.
    2. Society should pay for my services.



    And what prevents a couple from having the male 'opt out' for government assistance purpose? This rape and gift fantasy isn't thought through at all. It's like a fly trap for men with women-issues.

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Another aspect of the misogynist 'opt out' fantasy.

    1. Force a woman to do something with her body, or even "child", under threat.
    2. Society should pay for my services.



    And what prevents a couple from having the male 'opt out' for government assistance purpose? This rape and gift fantasy isn't thought through at all. It's like a fly trap for men with women-issues.
    Yup

    IMO, some men just cannot--will not--accept the fact that in the US, men can no longer have sex without consequences. It's a very deeply entrenched entitlement and when you read these discussions, it's barely acknowledged...but to get around it in more recent discussions, we now have the 'opt out' proposals to make it 'equal'.

    "If she can have sex without consequences (women cannot, never could, still cant), then men should be able to". Hence the opt out before birth silliness.
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    What do you think homosexual couples do? Just gab all day?
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    Welfare is a bad thing? It is essentially free money. It is not that bad.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Pence: Abortion will end in U.S. 'in our time'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yup

    IMO, some men just cannot--will not--accept the fact that in the US, men can no longer have sex without consequences. It's a very deeply entrenched entitlement and when you read these discussions, it's barely acknowledged...but to get around it in more recent discussions, we now have the 'opt out' proposals to make it 'equal'.

    "If she can have sex without consequences (women cannot, never could, still cant), then men should be able to". Hence the opt out before birth silliness.
    Men have NEVER had sex without consequences. Ever.

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