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Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

prometeus said:
I am curious, what was imposed on you and how does it affect you?

But that is a lie, as no one ever said that.

proof?

So now that is the last word, what she said? Seriously?

Be specific instead of ranting baselessly.

Can you cite it?
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People like me who want to run businesses are being forced by state governments to endorse homosexual marriages under the guise of “anti discrimination laws” Trump has ordered DoJ to file a brief in favor of marriage vendors. One of these cases is at the Supreme Court

As far as abuse statistics

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

A disgruntled former minister is roaming around suing over religious tax exemptions, recently in Wisconsin

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cs...-is-challenging-churches-tax-privileges-in-US

Another atheist group is trying to claim the US government can get 71B dollars by taxing churches as for profit businesses

Are Churches Making America Poor?
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

Removable Mind said:
Is there any time or place that you can't communicate with the God of your understanding?

And Trump is only on his side....
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You say that, but he’s representing my interests pretty well.

I guess you’re on the side of religious freedom more then Trump? Whatever you say man... ��
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
You say that, but he’s representing my interests pretty well.

I guess you’re on the side of religious freedom more then Trump? Whatever you say man... ��
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I'm sorry, but the fears I see people express about religious freedoms are in some kind of jeopardy is a complete mystery to me. I don't see anyone being robbed of their ability to worship the God of their understanding. It's a personal experience that can be engaged in anytime or place.

When the government decides to favor religion in general over an individual right to not subscribe to religion, that's a serious issue to me.

There are so many religions that believe that their religion is THE religion. But one thing is evident. Very few people within a given or specific religion agree on what the hell its tenets or doctrine is...what it all means.

In America, if we even come close to being a theocracy, we'll wind up being in the same situation as Middle Eastern countries. Life would be a living hell if government is controlled by religious doctrine.
 
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Removable Mind said:
I'm sorry, but the fears I see people express about religious freedoms are in some kind of jeopardy is a complete mystery to me. I don't see anyone being robbed of their ability to worship the God of their understanding. It's a personal experience that can be engaged in anytime or place.

When the government decides to favor religion in general over an individual right to not subscribe to religion, that's a serious issue to me.

There are so many religions that believe that their religion is THE religion. But one thing is evident. Very few people within a given or specific religion agree on what the hell its tenets or doctrine is...what it all means.

In America, if we even come close to being a theocracy, we'll wind up being in the same situation as Middle Eastern countries. Life would be a living hell if government is controlled by religious doctrine.
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Nobody proposes making America a theocracy, and don’t start with this false argument, there is no Christian majority country that is anywhere near Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan in religious theocracy.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Nobody proposes making America a theocracy, and don’t start with this false argument, there is no Christian majority country that is anywhere near Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan in religious theocracy.
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Nor should there be--Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
It does not in fact mean that
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Of course it does.

There are many pro choice religions and religious groups including the Jewish religions, Budist religions, pro choice Catholics , and Mainline Protestant religions whose sincerely held believes put the life of the pregnant ahead of the life of the fetus.

We as a part of Religious Coalition of Reproductive Choice sincerely believe the woman is a moral agent and it is her choice whether or not to use contraception or to continue a gestation to birth.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
People like me who want to run businesses are being forced by state governments to endorse homosexual marriages under the guise of “anti discrimination laws” ?...
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If you own a business that is open to the public than your items or services that are for sale are for sale to the whole public including homosexuals . That does mean you are endorsing homosexual marriage. You cannot claim “ Religious Liberty”as way to hide behind discrimantion.
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

EMNofSeattle said:
People like me who want to run businesses are being forced by state governments to endorse ...
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A STUPID LIE. You can use Freedom Of Religion (due to literally-endless variations on the theme) to insist that victims of bullies (or any other group) are not allowed to conduct business with you --and state governments will say you cannot exclude them. The phrase "Open to the Public" is non-exclusionary. Period.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Nobody proposes making America a theocracy, and don’t start with this false argument, there is no Christian majority country that is anywhere near Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan in religious theocracy.
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Persons of every religion can be a living example of the faith, tenets, and doctrines - as long as they don't infringe on their fellow citizens' right to do the same. Herein lies the problem.

People find it difficult to live their lives without finding some excuse to condemn others for not subscribing to their particular beliefs. And despite adopting a particular religion, the way that people interpret their religion is like fingerprints. Every single person uniquely understands their particular religion, or at least their own person version of it.

According to a lot of Christians they say that Christ said that the body is the temple. It simply can't be anymore clear about what that means to the Christian religion, but it seems like a lot of Christians don't acknowledge that.

Abortion is linked to the sanctity of life, according to a lot of people of various faiths. Yet, women of all faiths have abortions.

Sexual orientation is always under the religious microscope as though it somehow is like a contagious disease. Either people are or they aren't. Yet, Christian bake shops freak out over something that doesn't personally impact their business or personal lives. And pharmacists of certain faiths don't want to fill prescriptions for birth control pills , Plan B, or abortion pills.

People don't live in glass boxes. They aren't a world unto themselves. Humans need each other. They can't survive without sharing each other's knowledge and labor. It's a damn shame that religions have to make a lot people's world so discriminating and small.
 
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minnie616 said:
If you own a business that is open to the public than your items or services that are for sale are for sale to the whole public including homosexuals . That does mean you are endorsing homosexual marriage. You cannot claim “ Religious Liberty”as way to hide behind discrimantion.
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I meant to add the word not. It should read: does not mean you are endorsing homosexual marriage.

Sorry, I have dyslexia and sometimes I leave a word or two out of a sentence.

I especially hate it when I leave the word NOT out because it does change the whole meaning of the sentence.
 
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minnie616 said:
Of course it does.

There are many pro choice religions and religious groups including the Jewish religions, Budist religions, pro choice Catholics , and Mainline Protestant religions whose sincerely held believes put the life of the pregnant ahead of the life of the fetus.

We as a part of Religious Coalition of Reproductive Choice sincerely believe the woman is a moral agent and it is her choice whether or not to use contraception or to continue a gestation to birth.
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Your pro abortion religious beliefs are irrelevant, you made a false claim of the first amendment implicating abortion, it does not.

I’m glad you founded a pro-abortion religion, it is not a rebuttal of any argument I made
 
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FutureIncoming said:
A STUPID LIE. You can use Freedom Of Religion (due to literally-endless variations on the theme) to insist that victims of bullies (or any other group) are not allowed to conduct business with you --and state governments will say you cannot exclude them. The phrase "Open to the Public" is non-exclusionary. Period.
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State governments should not be forcing people to do business with each other.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Persons of every religion can be a living example of the faith, tenets, and doctrines - as long as they don't infringe on their fellow citizens' right to do the same. Herein lies the problem.

People find it difficult to live their lives without finding some excuse to condemn others for not subscribing to their particular beliefs. And despite adopting a particular religion, the way that people interpret their religion is like fingerprints. Every single person uniquely understands their particular religion, or at least their own person version of it.

According to a lot of Christians they say that Christ said that the body is the temple. It simply can't be anymore clear about what that means to the Christian religion, but it seems like a lot of Christians don't acknowledge that.

Abortion is linked to the sanctity of life, according to a lot of people of various faiths. Yet, women of all faiths have abortions.

Sexual orientation is always under the religious microscope as though it somehow is like a contagious disease. Either people are or they aren't. Yet, Christian bake shops freak out over something that doesn't personally impact their business or personal lives. And pharmacists of certain faiths don't want to fill prescriptions for birth control pills , Plan B, or abortion pills.

People don't live in glass boxes. They aren't a world unto themselves. Humans need each other. They can't survive without sharing each other's knowledge and labor. It's a damn shame that religions have to make a lot people's world so discriminating and small.
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This is a long winded way of saying nothing. It doesn’t refute anything I said, it’s pure emotion. It seems you’ve moved beyond my initial claim that Donald Trump is working to preserve religious liberty, you’ve stopped pretending you somehow have my interests more at heart then Donald Trump and now you’re fillibustering with some Wierd emotional stuff I don’t care about “we need each other” “we don’t live in glass boxes” “makes the world small”
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
This is a long winded way of saying nothing. It doesn’t refute anything I said, it’s pure emotion. It seems you’ve moved beyond my initial claim that Donald Trump is working to preserve religious liberty, you’ve stopped pretending you somehow have my interests more at heart then Donald Trump and now you’re fillibustering with some Pollyanna stuff I don’t care about “we need each other” “we don’t live in glass boxes”
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Trump is doing nothing to preserve a problem that doesn't exists.
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

EMNofSeattle said:
People like me who want to run businesses are being forced by state governments to endorse homosexual marriages
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Bull crap, no such thing exists. You want to serve only bigots and other variety of assholes you are more than free to do so, but do not claim to open a business to the public then.
You have nothing.
 
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prometeus said:
Bull crap, no such thing exists. You want to serve only bigots and other variety of assholes you are more than free to do so, but do not claim to open a business to the public then.
You have nothing.
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Religious freedom does not exist if you need to give it up to be able to earn a living

Currently there’s a Supreme Court case on this very issue
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Religious freedom does not exist if you need to give it up to be able to earn a living
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No one has asked anyone to give up anything. That is just your blatant ignorant lie.
 
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prometeus said:
No one has asked anyone to give up anything. That is just your blatant ignorant lie.
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Yes, the Colorado Human Rights Commission says you must make messages endorsing homosexuality and vend their weddings or you cannot due business in that state. You are denying plain reality
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

Removable Mind said:
What religious liberties has Trump actively worked to preserve?
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Keep up, I gave you specific examples. You don’t agree because unlike Trump you do not support religious liberty so you’re denying reality and making stuff up.
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

EMNofSeattle said:
Keep up, I gave you specific examples. You don’t agree because unlike Trump you do not support religious liberty so you’re denying reality and making stuff up.
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Your religious liberties are not being infringed on. What liberty have you been denied?
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

Removable Mind said:
Your religious liberties are not being infringed on. What liberty have you been denied?
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You know exactly what I’m referring to, you’re simply being obtuse

You fully know what cases are in front of the courts and the cases that secularists are bringing

And you know your assertion that the President isn’t taking the side of religious liberty is completely false and yet you still make it.
 
Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

EMNofSeattle said:
You know exactly what I’m referring to, you’re simply being obtuse

You fully know what cases are in front of the courts and the cases that secularists are bringing

And you know your assertion that the President isn’t taking the side of religious liberty is completely false and yet you still make it.
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You are saying everything, but tell us nothing.
 
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