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Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

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Pro-life isn't the only reason why many Christians support Trump.

Obama/Clinton are promoting and paving the way for a Godless society (secularism).
That in itself, is reason enough to support Trump.

Please explain what actions by Obama or Clinton interfere with any individual's worship of the God they choose.

Please explain what actions (actions, not empty verbiage please) by Trump promote a religious society.
 
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Simply put: there is more to being pro-life than just being anti-abortion. No one, and I mean no one, who supports Donald Trump can legitimately claim to be pro-life or pro-Jesus. Those are simply not compatible.

Well you keep saying that, but the fact is, IF christians in the US universally support all of your liberal pet policy positions you still wouldn't negotiate with them on unrestricted abortion. You're basically demaning that all Christians be liberal democrats are you still won't support the abortion position, so it's a bad argument.
 
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I guess the porn star and ***** grabbing doesn't trump the lip service. :doh

Trump can lay as many porn stars as he wants, I'm more concerned about the rights of the religious to free expression and not forcing them to cater to every demand of the non-religious, and Trump is on that side. he supports the constitution as applied to religious freedom, which is far more important then pretending to be christian like some former presidents have done.
 
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Trump can lay as many porn stars as he wants, I'm more concerned about the rights of the religious to free expression and not forcing them to cater to every demand of the non-religious, and Trump is on that side. he supports the constitution as applied to religious freedom, which is far more important then pretending to be christian like some former presidents have done.

Now that [the bold] is an interesting family values, Christian perspective.
 
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Now that [the bold] is an interesting family values, Christian perspective.

Family values has nothing to do with it. I know what my family values are and I'm not interested in imposing them on anyone else, including Donald Trump.

But when atheists are wanting to put secular values and impose them on me, by saying I must supply any service requested for gay marriages, that my church should pay a level of taxation that will shut it down, by claiming Christians are enemies of America (as Rosie O' Donnell once said) the repeated cultural war on my church (The Roman Catholic Church) in particular, like one study found children were over 100 times more likely to be sexually abused by teachers in public schools then priests in Catholic Churches. 100 times more likely, and yet that is swept under the rug and the media and hollywood consistently target Catholics. Donald Trump specifically mocked my church and the communion practice once before, was it mean? yes, do I care? kind of, does it matter? when the other candidate was going to end religious freedom as we know it, it doesn't matter at all.

At some point, I don't care what the actual religious beliefs of a political leader are. if a Muslim president came to power and protected the Christian bakers and the cross dedicated to Americas war dead from the ACLU then he's my guy as far as politics are concerned.

And this is a double standard, I've never seen you question Nancy Pelosi's claims to be a Catholic while voting against Catholic doctrine in every single one of her congressional votes, or her silence when gay activists in her district invaded a catholic church during the eucharist and belittled a priest. You never write about that, so if you're demanding someone in political office adhere to religious ethics 100% of the time then I'm interested to know which Democrats meet that standard.
 
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Family values has nothing to do with it. I know what my family values are and I'm not interested in imposing them on anyone else, including Donald Trump.

But when atheists are wanting to put secular values and impose them on me, by saying I must supply any service requested for gay marriages, that my church should pay a level of taxation that will shut it down, by claiming Christians are enemies of America (as Rosie O' Donnell once said) the repeated cultural war on my church (The Roman Catholic Church) in particular, like one study found children were over 100 times more likely to be sexually abused by teachers in public schools then priests in Catholic Churches. 100 times more likely, and yet that is swept under the rug and the media and hollywood consistently target Catholics. Donald Trump specifically mocked my church and the communion practice once before, was it mean? yes, do I care? kind of, does it matter? when the other candidate was going to end religious freedom as we know it, it doesn't matter at all.

At some point, I don't care what the actual religious beliefs of a political leader are. if a Muslim president came to power and protected the Christian bakers and the cross dedicated to Americas war dead from the ACLU then he's my guy as far as politics are concerned.

And this is a double standard, I've never seen you question Nancy Pelosi's claims to be a Catholic while voting against Catholic doctrine in every single one of her congressional votes, or her silence when gay activists in her district invaded a catholic church during the eucharist and belittled a priest. You never write about that, so if you're demanding someone in political office adhere to religious ethics 100% of the time then I'm interested to know which Democrats meet that standard.

Yes, god is dead. Maybe we should hold a funeral.
 
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Simply put: there is more to being pro-life than just being anti-abortion. No one, and I mean no one, who supports Donald Trump can legitimately claim to be pro-life or pro-Jesus. Those are simply not compatible.

I am not pro-Jesus as I am not a Christian.
I am not pro-life, as I support the death penalty for people who commit crimes so heinous that they forgo remaining alive (they should get the same sentence and mercy they gave their victims)
I am not pro-Trump...I am just ever so grateful and relieved that Clinton did not become President.
I am, however, anti-abortion, or much to the mockery of some on this site, I am anti pre-born baby extermination, because in spite of politically correct words, a women who has an abortion is exterminating the life within her.
 
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I am not pro-Jesus as I am not a Christian.
I am not pro-life, as I support the death penalty for people who commit crimes so heinous that they forgo remaining alive (they should get the same sentence and mercy they gave their victims)
I am not pro-Trump...I am just ever so grateful and relieved that Clinton did not become President.
I am, however, anti-abortion, or much to the mockery of some on this site, I am anti pre-born baby extermination, because in spite of politically correct words, a women who has an abortion is exterminating the life within her.

And, I think she has that right.

Don't like abortion; don't have one.
 
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Family values has nothing to do with it. I know what my family values are and I'm not interested in imposing them on anyone else, including Donald Trump.

But when atheists are wanting to put secular values and impose them on me, by saying I must supply any service requested for gay marriages, that my church should pay a level of taxation that will shut it down, by claiming Christians are enemies of America (as Rosie O' Donnell once said) the repeated cultural war on my church (The Roman Catholic Church) in particular, like one study found children were over 100 times more likely to be sexually abused by teachers in public schools then priests in Catholic Churches. 100 times more likely, and yet that is swept under the rug and the media and hollywood consistently target Catholics. Donald Trump specifically mocked my church and the communion practice once before, was it mean? yes, do I care? kind of, does it matter? when the other candidate was going to end religious freedom as we know it, it doesn't matter at all.

At some point, I don't care what the actual religious beliefs of a political leader are. if a Muslim president came to power and protected the Christian bakers and the cross dedicated to Americas war dead from the ACLU then he's my guy as far as politics are concerned.

And this is a double standard, I've never seen you question Nancy Pelosi's claims to be a Catholic while voting against Catholic doctrine in every single one of her congressional votes, or her silence when gay activists in her district invaded a catholic church during the eucharist and belittled a priest. You never write about that, so if you're demanding someone in political office adhere to religious ethics 100% of the time then I'm interested to know which Democrats meet that standard.

Those who have no standards are those who rely on double standards. They like to point the finger at the imperfections of others but pretty much have no leg to stand on when the spotlight is put on them.

I do not know a perfect man/woman living on this earth do you?
No wonder some of the best and brightest among us do not want to bother to serve in office because of some former "sin" in their lives that would be drug up by the opposing party to personally trash them and humiliate their family.
 
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Family values has nothing to do with it. I know what my family values are and I'm not interested in imposing them on anyone else, including Donald Trump.

But when atheists are wanting to put secular values and impose them on me, by saying I must supply any service requested for gay marriages,

If you go into business to serve the public, you must serve ALL the public, you cannot draw lines refusing those whose values or lifestyles are not the same as yours. Refusal to serve those who are different is an attempt to force them into YOUR "family values." Or at least pretend to share your family values. And it is not only atheists who believe in non-discrimination.


that my church should pay a level of taxation that will shut it down,

Is your church involving itself in political activities?

by claiming Christians are enemies of America (as Rosie O' Donnell once said) the repeated cultural war on my church (The Roman Catholic Church) in particular, like one study found children were over 100 times more likely to be sexually abused by teachers in public schools then priests in Catholic Churches. 100 times more likely, and yet that is swept under the rug and the media and hollywood consistently target Catholics. Donald Trump specifically mocked my church and the communion practice once before, was it mean? yes, do I care? kind of, does it matter? when the other candidate was going to end religious freedom as we know it, it doesn't matter at all.

No one has ever had the religious freedom to force his own views on others. No one ever had the right to force others to participate in their own religious actions, no one ever had the right to use public facilities to force others to participate in their own religious actions, specifically planting Christian crosses on public land occupied by those of other religions or none, or leading Christian prayers before public school football games. That is NOT religious freedom.
 
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Please explain what actions by Obama or Clinton interfere with any individual's worship of the God they choose.

Please explain what actions (actions, not empty verbiage please) by Trump promote a religious society.

When practically a lot of their policies are counter to the dictate of God - enforcing them on individuals (or else, get fined or lose your job).....it's becoming a God-less society. Of course it doesn't happen overnight.

Murder of the unborn (now insurance companies, employers, and even doctors are forced to go against their conscience by either paying for, or performing the actual murder).

Same-sex marriage. Not only does that busted the traditional marriage - union between a male and a female - given by God to mankind, but everyone is being forced to see and accept it as a normal life-style. Need we say more?
 
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I am, however, anti-abortion, or much to the mockery of some on this site, I am anti pre-born baby extermination, because in spite of politically correct words, a women who has an abortion is exterminating the life within her.
STILL MIS-USING THE LANGUAGE, I SEE. First, variations of the word "exterminate" are almost never employed when talking about killing a single entity. It is normally used when talking about killing groups of entities, like bugs. It says here that about 1 in 67 pregnancies is a multiple pregnancy, and I suppose you could use the word "exterminate" if talking about the abortion of such a group. However, according to this that's pretty rare (culturally more taboo than a single abortion). Which means, most of the time you are exaggerating, bordering on telling a Stupid Lie.

SECOND, you referred to the pre-born as a "baby", even though you have been fully informed about how and why an unborn human is very different from an ordinary baby, and should never be called such. You are blathering Pure Propaganda, often another type of Stupid Lie.

THIRD, the fact that an unborn human is alive is not the real issue with you. If a woman was inhabited by an equally-alive ordinary parasite, maybe this type, you would be all-in-favor of her seeking to kill that life inside her. The Fact Is, you exhibit Stupid Prejudice about the word "human". And the proof of Stupid Prejudice (there is no such thing as "intelligent prejudice") is simple: You cannot provide the slightest bit of evidence showing that --especially at the time an average abortion gets done-- an unborn human life is in any way Objectively more important or valuable than the life of a parasite.
 
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Pro-life isn't the only reason why many Christians support Trump.

Obama/Clinton are promoting and paving the way for a Godless society (secularism).
That in itself, is reason enough to support Trump.

Well for many people who are secular that is the reason to not support Trump.
 
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And, I think she has that right.

Don't like abortion; don't have one.

I agree to an extent.
I think the reason for many individuals feeling anti-abortion is the morality aspect and the abuse of something that seems immoral
Just because someone has the right doesn't mean it needs to be exercised.
 
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I agree to an extent.
I think the reason for many individuals feeling anti-abortion is the morality aspect and the abuse of something that seems immoral
Just because someone has the right doesn't mean it needs to be exercised.

Last I looked abortion is a choice. It certainly does not "need to be exercised."
 
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Don't like assault rifles? Don't own one.

Legal assault rifles affect me personally, since some nut with one can come shoot up a place where I happen to be. I'm not at risk of being aborted.
 
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Trump can lay as many porn stars as he wants
Od as many as he can pay for, but that it not the point is it?

I'm more concerned about the rights of the religious to free expression and not forcing them to cater to every demand of the non-religious
Good for you and you really believe that it will be a douch like Trump who will protect them? Naiveté or partisanship?

and Trump is on that side.
Bull crap. He is on the side of anyone willing to kiss his ass and it is the embodiment of hypocrisy of the evangelicals do do so.

he supports the constitution
The moron has no clue about the Constitution.
 
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But when atheists are wanting to put secular values and impose them on me
I am curious, what was imposed on you and how does it affect you?

by saying I must supply any service requested for gay marriages
But that is a lie, as no one ever said that.

that my church should pay a level of taxation that will shut it down
proof?

by claiming Christians are enemies of America (as Rosie O' Donnell once said)
So now that is the last word, what she said? Seriously?

the repeated cultural war on my church (The Roman Catholic Church) in particular
Be specific instead of ranting baselessly.

like one study found children were over 100 times more likely to be sexually abused by teachers in public schools then priests in Catholic Churches.
Can you cite it?
 
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... I'm more concerned about the rights of the religious to free expression and not forcing them to cater to every demand of the non-religious, ...

Religious liberty includes the right to use contraception and to have legal abortions before viability in the USA.
 
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Trump can lay as many porn stars as he wants, I'm more concerned about the rights of the religious to free expression and not forcing them to cater to every demand of the non-religious, and Trump is on that side. he supports the constitution as applied to religious freedom, which is far more important then pretending to be christian like some former presidents have done.

Is there any time or place that you can't communicate with the God of your understanding?

And Trump is only on his side....
 
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Religious liberty includes the right to use contraception and to have legal abortions before viability in the USA.

It does not in fact mean that
 
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