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Men not being involved in the abortion debate

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I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?
 
I’m pro-choice but I disagree with that particular claim. Sure, the decision to have an abortion is up to the individual woman weighing the choice. But as for the political debate, everyone should get to speak, including men, women who have been through menopause, women who have had hysterectomies, everyone. Likewise, women should have a voice regarding the draft and public funding for prostate cancer research.
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

I do not think "men" or "woman" should be involved in the decision to abort.

The only person responsible for a decision about his or her medical care is the person involved.

As far as the debate goes I don't care who discusses it. As long as they understand if it is not that person's body it is not that person's decision.
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

Almost nobody believes that men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate. That's a common right-wing talking point. However, having an opinion is not the same thing as having expertise. Cis men cannot by definition understand what it is like to be pregnant, and the pregnancy will never happen in their bodies. Most men who argue against abortion rights are simply overstating their nonexistent expertise on the topic.
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

It's foolish on their part. A large majority of women support restricting abortion to the first trimester.

I don't think it has to do with the women in men what I think is that pro-choice people want to silence pro-life people. They're not looking at it from a realistic standpoint it's from the idea that women would largely support abortion which they don't.
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

I see no reason why men cannot contribute to the discussion on abortion, on either side.

Perhaps you are thinking of comments saying that the only one who can make the decision regarding a pregnancy is the pregnant woman herself?
 
Almost nobody believes that men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate. That's a common right-wing talking point. However, having an opinion is not the same thing as having expertise. Cis men cannot by definition understand what it is like to be pregnant, and the pregnancy will never happen in their bodies. Most men who argue against abortion rights are simply overstating their nonexistent expertise on the topic.
I disagree most people men or women that are against abortion view it as ending human life. I have never heard a man say they have any expertise in pregnancy outside of an OBGYN.

For people who are pro-life it's about whether or not a fetus is considered human life.
 
I disagree most people men or women that are against abortion view it as ending human life. I have never heard a man say they have any expertise in pregnancy outside of an OBGYN.

For people who are pro-life it's about whether or not a fetus is considered human life.

And right on cue, here is an excellent example of the point I made. Clax is confusing his opinion with his nonexistent expertise.
 
It's foolish on their part. A large majority of women support restricting abortion to the first trimester.

I don't think it has to do with the women in men what I think is that pro-choice people want to silence pro-life people. They're not looking at it from a realistic standpoint it's from the idea that women would largely support abortion which they don't.

I dont know of any pro-choice people that think that...and we see about equal numbers of pro-life men and women here.
 
As a man, the only time I should have a say in whether a woman gets an abortion or not, is if it's my kid. Not saying I can force her to not have one, but I feel my opinion should be considered. It's my child as well, and it is absurd to believe that men are just genetic donors in the process. We have feelings ya know. We don't always share them, but they are there. My first girlfriend had an abortion without telling me, ran off to Georgia without a goodbye and didn't call me til after it was done. That hurt like hell, on several levels. And it damaged my trust in women for a number of years.

What strangers do with their bodies is none of my business, however. I do find it sad, I wish every woman who gets pregnant does so on purpose. But having grown up with a mother who got pregnant by accident in high school, who resented me, who made my childhood miserable. I can honestly say, until I became an adult and had my own children, I wished I had never been born quite often. She was not ready, or cut out for motherhood. And I don't wish my childhood on any other person, and I know if you force women to keep their children, a lot of them will grow up like I did. So yeah, abortion is sad. But the alternative is much worse.
 
I don't know what to people think nor did I make claim as to what people think.

Uh huh.

I don't think it has to do with the women in men what I think is that pro-choice people want to silence pro-life people. They're not looking at it from a realistic standpoint it's from the idea that women would largely support abortion which they don't.
 
Just because a man does not get pregnant does not mean they can't state their opinion.
 
Most men who argue against abortion rights are simply overstating their nonexistent expertise on the topic.
I THINK IT IS WORSE THAN THAT. We all know that opposing abortion means controlling women. And there are plenty of men who think not only women should be controlled, but that they have some kind of right to do the controlling. As far as I'm concerned, almost every man in the anti-abortion crowd is someone incapable of convincing a woman that he is worthy to sire her offspring, and so must resort to force (of a more subtle kind than the physical), or bribery (turning marriage into prostitution).
 
That's a ridiculous notion and it's simply not how our country works. You don't have to be personally affected by an issue to weigh in on it.
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

Being involved in the debate is just fine.
How much weight their opinion carries is worthy of a debate in and of itself.

I think the bigger problem is around who writes and votes on the laws that everyone must then follow.
When the overwhelmingly vast majority of the law makers are rich white men over the age of 60, it starts to become a rather glaring misrepresentation of reality.
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

Only this.

If men have no say about it, then it shouldn't be mandatory for them to pay the new expense for them called "child support." Women should not have the sole right to determine the unborn fate when it affects the father too, unless they also give father the choice to pay child support or not.
 
Only this.

If men have no say about it, then it shouldn't be mandatory for them to pay the new expense for them called "child support." Women should not have the sole right to determine the unborn fate when it affects the father too, unless they also give father the choice to pay child support or not.

They are not obliged to pay "pregnancy support".

They may be obliged to pay child support. He has no say in her health care choices. Assuming you are a competent adult, in what instance does a woman have the right to dictate your health care choices?

IMHO, once a baby is born...it ceases to be about the man or the woman...it is about the child. Now....I am all for ongoing reform of the system. Some of the child support abuses are disgusting. I will say this....(not that it makes anything right) I know women who have been the breadwinner who get divorced and they are getting screwed in the same way men have been all these years.

One thing people should consider when having sex....despite what they say...the other partner may WANT a pregnancy. If you do not want to be responsible for a pregnancy....use the best protection available....on the plus side....if BOTH partners are using high quality protection....the risk of pregnancy is negligible. "I thought he/she was using birth control" should never be a response to pregnancy.
 
Only this.

If men have no say about it, then it shouldn't be mandatory for them to pay the new expense for them called "child support." Women should not have the sole right to determine the unborn fate when it affects the father too, unless they also give father the choice to pay child support or not.

Women have choice right? And if they get pregnant, they have to accept the consequences. (Abortion is a consequence too.) If they dont want to accept the consequences of having sex...they shouldnt have sex, right? People write that here in this sub-forum every week, if not every day.

So it should be the same for men, right? Men choose to have sex, no one's forcing them to.

It's not women's fault that biology makes the time for the decision, and the options, different. Cant change biology so men and women have to face the consequences of their choices. Women have been doing so for millenia....surely men can start doing so now that there's technology to make it harder for them to deny or run off?
 
I've heard this argument that says men shouldn't be involved in the abortion debate since men don't get pregnant. It doesn't matter if a man is pro choice or pro life men should not be involved. I've heard this argument being made by people in the pro choice crowd but I've never heard anybody from the pro life crowd take this position. Thoughts?

Well, that's the very nature of being pro-choice, its a woman's body, its her health, its her decision.

Of course a pro-life man is not going to think that since they want to force the woman to do what they think is right and could care less about the actual woman. They also care very little about the kid once they are born
 
Women have choice right? And if they get pregnant, they have to accept the consequences. (Abortion is a consequence too.) If they dont want to accept the consequences of having sex...they shouldnt have sex, right? People write that here in this sub-forum every week, if not every day.

So it should be the same for men, right? Men choose to have sex, no one's forcing them to.

It's not women's fault that biology makes the time for the decision, and the options, different. Cant change biology so men and women have to face the consequences of their choices. Women have been doing so for millenia....surely men can start doing so now that there's technology to make it harder for them to deny or run off?

Isn't it funny how men whine about how its not fair how they get treated with having to pay child support, or usually women are more likely to win custody rights, meanwhile, men have dominated women in every aspect for most of human history, they make more money, they have more power, they have much more of a say in most things.

The one thing there is an advantage to women (and rightfully so since its women who spend 9 months incubating the child, raging hormones, discomfort, sickness, and a risk to her life) and men are all "its unfair"

The men that do that are so ridiculous
 
Isn't it funny how men whine about how its not fair how they get treated with having to pay child support, or usually women are more likely to win custody rights, meanwhile, men have dominated women in every aspect for most of human history, they make more money, they have more power, they have much more of a say in most things.

The one thing there is an advantage to women (and rightfully so since its women who spend 9 months incubating the child, raging hormones, discomfort, sickness, and a risk to her life) and men are all "its unfair"

The men that do that are so ridiculous

Yes, men are not the victim here.

But being the one to get pregnant is NO advantage...it's been killing, maiming, and socially destroying women for centuries. We may have shared equally in the sex with men but certainly paid a much much higher price for it.

But I believe that men should have equal rights when it comes to custody, if they want it. And happily that is changing in family court, a trend to view men equally as the caretakers.
 
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