• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Men not being involved in the abortion debate

My daughter is pregnant and lost her job recently. There will be no FMLA for her. Of course they didn't have that a long time ago, and people survived. My point is about men's rights, which you contend they have none, nor do they deserve any. I realize men are boogie-monsters these days, especially if they're white. Then they lower than worm ****; almost sub-human. Nevertheless, in the world of procreation, men have zero rights.

Bullcrap.

Men have zero rights. Seriously? You realize how that sounds, right?

You mentioned your daughter without FMLA. Does she have personal or family resources to carry her through her pregnancy? Does she have enough resources to assure she has a good chance at decent health care....maintaining a roof over her head, keeping the phone and water on?

Most women who chose abortion lack personal/family resources that will take them through such times.

But seriously? This is not a "poor picked on white man" situation. But thank you for playing that card. ;)

You have played the poor white man card...the men are boogie men card....the pro abortionist card.....can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve next. It has gotta be a trump card.:lamo

You seem to lack the capacity to understand that women have the right to make their own health care decisions - just like men.
 
And why should men be entitled to sex without consequences when women arent? Not in the past and not now. Every result of a pregnancy carries consequences for a woman, up to and including even death: having the kid, miscarriage, abortion. Certainly all can result in grave harm.

It seems that some men even want to control that....according to what they want.

Ummmmmm...women do have consequences to sex. What planet do you live on? Every time they get pregnant there are consequences that the man will never have.
 
Ummmmmm...women do have consequences to sex. What planet do you live on? Every time they get pregnant there are consequences that the man will never have.

Did I not write it correctly?
 
Bullcrap.

Men have zero rights. Seriously? You realize how that sounds, right?

You mentioned your daughter without FMLA. Does she have personal or family resources to carry her through her pregnancy? Does she have enough resources to assure she has a good chance at decent health care....maintaining a roof over her head, keeping the phone and water on?

Most women who chose abortion lack personal/family resources that will take them through such times.

But seriously? This is not a "poor picked on white man" situation. But thank you for playing that card. ;)

You have played the poor white man card...the men are boogie men card....the pro abortionist card.....can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve next. It has gotta be a trump card.:lamo

You seem to lack the capacity to understand that women have the right to make their own health care decisions - just like men.

You're obviously an angry militant abortionist.
 
Firstly, I recognize that there are reproductive inequalities. I didn't cause them. I can't control them. And I can't cure them. But I can opine about the obvious issues and obstacles.

The man doesn't have to be on the hook in the first place (or he can greatly reduce the risk), but the consensus of opt out proponents are attempting to claim that that isn't possible.

Your "Overrule theory" isn't an equalizer. In a lot of cases it's a coercive attempt by a man to get women to abort, and more likely than not, it's known that a lot of women have a fundamental belief (a first amendment right) against "personally having an abortion". If it isn't known, it should be. It should be taught to every 12 year old boy and up.

Let me explain:

Are you aware that most pro-choice women won't have an abortion? And that most pregnancies are brought to full term? If you know that - then you also know the above beliefs by opt out proponents are significantly skewed. Such men are ignoring the very facts that should arm them with a new way to think about sex, unwanted pregnancies, and prevention before the fact UNTIL a more equitable solution can come into being. Men can choose to be proactively engaged in going to any length to avoid being in a situation that could potentially result in an unwanted pregnancy with someone that they absolutely knew before having sex that they didn't want as a parenting partner.

Having "the same say" is accomplished how without creating a different form of equality? You're going to have to devise a new name for gaining such a right. Claiming that "having a say is equality" - won't be "equality" that currently exists in the system you have disdain for has removed men from any consequences. There won't be any type of equality.

How does such a premise keep from becoming nothing less than a form of reckoning or retribution rather than and imagined form equality?

If men can legally knock up endless numbers of women, or as many as every individual man can, without any accountability, or consequences, what is your world going to look like 10 years from now? I can tell you what I predict under such situations. Men need to prepare to purchase sex or buy one of these semi-realistic sex dolls. Women will quickly turn to BOB (battery operated boyfriend). Who could blame them?

As my grandma use to say, "If there's no consequences for inadequate behaviors, why stop?"

This is an extremely complicated situation from both a Constitutional level, but also, and maybe more so, at the State Constitutional and Family Code levels. Yes, I know that the conventional belief is that it all comes to a halt for women prior to viability. But nobody has explained exactly how that would occur.

This issue extends way beyond the 14th Amendment, as so many believe is the core issue, and who believes that somewhere therein lies some type of equality for men. :no: It took men's rights groups a very long time to realize that strategy won't work.

That's it for me. Good luck on finding a genuinely true form of equality.

Oh, remember, when judicial and legislative bodies examine this issue they see not just 2 entities, they see 5 involved. Man, woman, child, state, and taxpayers. <----that won't ever leave the minds of the powers that are. Using Darwinistic means of virtually forcing all women to live with the decision to not abort - will come back to bite society in the ass. It's a given, not a theory. The Supreme Court and Lawmakers know this.

I appreciate you writing this. At least you didn't blow off my concerns like most around here.
 
You're obviously an angry militant abortionist.

Name calling? That's your only argument to the truth? Well obviously there's not much you can deny because it was the truth.

You played the victim card, we both called you on it. Dont take the humiliation out on her.

Can you defend your position or not?
 
Back
Top Bottom