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Doctors who object to treatment on moral grounds must give referral: court

Scrabaholic

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TORONTO – Ontario doctors who have a moral or religious objection to treatments such as assisted dying, contraception or abortions must refer patients to another doctor who can provide the service, after a court found it is necessary to guarantee that vulnerable patients can access the care they need.

A group of five doctors and three professional organizations had launched a legal challenge against a policy issued by the province’s medical regulator, arguing it infringed on their right to freedom of religion and conscience under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3998505/doctor-treatment-moral-grounds-referral/

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Good. I have no issue with the doctor refusing to do the procedure, but s/he must give a referral. Refusing to do so is unfair to patients and doing so does not make them "a part" of the procedure.
 
See? Even the poutine sucking Eskimos can figure this stuff out better than we can down south!

No offense, eh?
 
sorry, I don't reside in Cadada ............
 
cuban smokes said:
I am in the process of getting rid of my Goddamn mortgage & once I do, my ass is moving to ****ing Florida baby ........... good luck up there .......
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Hope you like hurricanes.
 
Scrabaholic said:
TORONTO – Ontario doctors who have a moral or religious objection to treatments such as assisted dying, contraception or abortions must refer patients to another doctor who can provide the service, after a court found it is necessary to guarantee that vulnerable patients can access the care they need.

A group of five doctors and three professional organizations had launched a legal challenge against a policy issued by the province’s medical regulator, arguing it infringed on their right to freedom of religion and conscience under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3998505/doctor-treatment-moral-grounds-referral/

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Good. I have no issue with the doctor refusing to do the procedure, but s/he must give a referral. Refusing to do so is unfair to patients and doing so does not make them "a part" of the procedure.
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Seems very reasonable.
 
cuban smokes said:
I'm a big boy; I'll do just fine .......
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You would do better to move to South Georgia. We have had only close calls for a hundred years. No direct hits. It's got something to with the coast and the jet stream and the gulf stream. (Not the airplanes) Unless you are of the opinion that makes us due for one. Are we due for one? Oh crap, I gotta get a bigger generator. And a shelter. And oh crap...
 
trblmkr said:
You would do better to move to South Georgia. We have had only close calls for a hundred years. No direct hits. It's got something to with the coast and the jet stream and the gulf stream. (Not the airplanes) Unless you are of the opinion that makes us due for one. Are we due for one? Oh crap, I gotta get a bigger generator. And a shelter. And oh crap...
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I had no idea what thread I was responding to, only the specific comment. My bad.
 
Scrabaholic said:
TORONTO – Ontario doctors who have a moral or religious objection to treatments such as assisted dying, contraception or abortions must refer patients to another doctor who can provide the service, after a court found it is necessary to guarantee that vulnerable patients can access the care they need.

A group of five doctors and three professional organizations had launched a legal challenge against a policy issued by the province’s medical regulator, arguing it infringed on their right to freedom of religion and conscience under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3998505/doctor-treatment-moral-grounds-referral/

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Good. I have no issue with the doctor refusing to do the procedure, but s/he must give a referral. Refusing to do so is unfair to patients and doing so does not make them "a part" of the procedure.
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Good, that's exactly how it should work.
 
WillyPete said:
See? Even the poutine sucking Eskimos can figure this stuff out better than we can down south!

No offense, eh?
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The correct tem is Inuit not Eskimo
 
Scrabaholic said:
TORONTO – Ontario doctors who have a moral or religious objection to treatments such as assisted dying, contraception or abortions must refer patients to another doctor who can provide the service, after a court found it is necessary to guarantee that vulnerable patients can access the care they need.

A group of five doctors and three professional organizations had launched a legal challenge against a policy issued by the province’s medical regulator, arguing it infringed on their right to freedom of religion and conscience under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3998505/doctor-treatment-moral-grounds-referral/

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Good. I have no issue with the doctor refusing to do the procedure, but s/he must give a referral. Refusing to do so is unfair to patients and doing so does not make them "a part" of the procedure.
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Sounds fine to me, the patient is what is important more so than the doctors feelings. But it does make me wonder. Again, when and where do these situations come up? In certain fields/practices one should simply have to do thier job, if you have a private practice you get more wiggle room of course but you should have to notify patients and post your restrictions BEFORE they are a patient. And referrals should have to be basically instantaneous. This is the medical field and its not to be taken lightly and slowed down by nonsense.

What im getting at is, a private general practice that doesnt want to do assisted dying, contraception or abortions thats fine by me. Not to mention two of those things 1 & 3 (as far as i know) would never be done by a general practitioner anyway so theres no need to make a law about it really. As long as patients are told before hand that sounds legit but when does this come up?

But now say, an obgyn doctor, should have less choices for sure. IMO you don't get to deny contraception or non-surgical abortions because thats a large part of your job. Private practice? maybe but even then thats stretching it. What was tier schooling and training in, its not like they wouldnt know what my job has to do with, its just silly. I cant be certified in a field and then only choose to do 3 steps of it. Again the medical field is not an area to play around in. If they want to create some type of other job description that is lesser thats fine too but again if you had to be trained and certified on 11 things are you really that type of doctor if you only do 3?

Now as far as in the general field, like you work for a hospital, you do your job period because thats up to your employer. If your employer decides they can find you a different job thats fine but if they fire you thats fine too. Thats up to the person hiring you, they have to follow the rules and its their liability. If i get hired as a roofer but then tell my boss, ooooh, i only lay tar paper down nothing else . . well guess what . . he may well fully fire me because im am not a roofer. Just like I cant be a cop or a judge and then say i will only enforce my gods laws, it doesnt work that way.

Im totally fine with some leeway but theres certain things that arent even rational and there has to be limits especially in the medical field. This seems fine on the surface but it seems like a move to progress down a path that becomes nonsensical. Hopefully it never does.
 
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What im getting at is, a private general practice that doesnt want to do assisted dying, contraception or abortions thats fine by me. Not to mention two of those things 1 & 3 (as far as i know) would never be done by a general practitioner anyway so theres no need to make a law about it really. As long as patients are told before hand that sounds legit but when does this come up?
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I believe GPs do do assisted dying here.


But now say, an obgyn doctor, should have less choices for sure. IMO you don't get to deny contraception or non-surgical abortions because thats a large part of your job.
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I have no issue with them choosing not to do it, as long as it's made clear that they don't and they refer to another doctor when asked. Normally, that would not come up as ob/gyns don't do routine gyn care here, GPs do. If a woman is referred to an ob/gyn, it's for obstetrical care for higher risk pregnancies or if her GP chooses not to do it or if there's a gyn problem. Now, years ago, I was referred to one to get the pill as my GP didn't want to give it to me due to me having hypertension, so she sought another opinion. That would be an example of an ob/gyn giving contraception here.

Incidentally, a GP caused a bit of a stir for refusing to give the pill to unmarried women. The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario ordered that he post notices in his practice, including the waiting room, saying so, so that patients knew he wouldn't.
 
Scrabaholic said:
1.) I believe GPs do do assisted dying here.

2.)I have no issue with them choosing not to do it, as long as it's made clear that they don't and they refer to another doctor when asked.
3.) Normally, that would not come up as ob/gyns don't do routine gyn care here, GPs do. If a woman is referred to an ob/gyn, it's for obstetrical care for higher risk pregnancies or if her GP chooses not to do it or if there's a gyn problem. Now, years ago, I was referred to one to get the pill as my GP didn't want to give it to me due to me having hypertension, so she sought another opinion. That would be an example of an ob/gyn giving contraception here.
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Incidentally, a GP caused a bit of a stir for refusing to give the pill to unmarried women. The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Ontario ordered that he post notices in his practice, including the waiting room, saying so, so that patients knew he wouldn't.
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1.) they very well may i honestly do not know?
2.) exactly and I agree
3.) hmmmmm, since i dont have a "who-who" im not familiar with what all happens with this doctor lol but my daughter saw hers often because of irregular periods and a cyst so maybe it was unique in her case. Her obgyn handled all her BC etc. Maybe thats not as common as i ASSumed? lol Again not having one of these doctors i wouldnt know, i was just going off my daughters experiences :)
4.) see that is complete crap IMO. Im glad they made that call but stuff like that I find really disgusting because its the GP is trying to force his views on others. As a doctor that is not your call. Allowing him to post signs is fine but it should be a case by case study. If theres multiple GPs in the area then im ok with it but say the only other one is an hour away then im not ok with it.

Not sure how it works there but another hurdle would be finding another doctor that accepts the insurance you have. maybe theres f doctors in my town but he is the only doctor that accepts my insurance and the other closest one is 1hr away, then posting signs is not sufficient in that specific case.

This is way i think the medical field needs much tighter restrictions. A scenario displacing women, costing them additional money, time and travel or maybe not even allowing them to make thier own choices could be created and that is not ok in the health services.
 
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