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Pregnant women using scientifically-accurate terminology

AtlantaAdonis

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So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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Don't blame those women one bit.

1: A fetus is alive....not lifeless.

2: You have no right to admonish and shame that woman to get her talk in your "approved" way. We have free speech for a reason. Suck it up because thats the facts jack.

3: And seriously? "Chick"? Women are not birds or chickens.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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So much for scientifically accurate.....

Or was she carrying a dead fetus?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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You choose not to call it a baby but someone else does. You gave your opinions and got people's opinions back and since they didn't agree with you, seems like you're butthurt about it. Get over it and if you don't want people giving it to you, don't dish it out.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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You forgot one very important rule here. And that is, it is a women decision to make. And this woman has obviously made that decision so to her that is a life and hope and love that is in her. What you referred to is someone who has made another decision that does not entail those values. Reproductive freedom is about having the right to decide if she will produce not about what is growing in her.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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You need help.

 
Seems fine to me to call it her baby. That's what she is expecting, anticipating. I see nothing wrong with a woman, or expecting parents/families to personify the unborn they are looking forward to. THESE are the people that should be valuing that unborn.

It's when complete strangers try to abstractly personify the unborn in other women that seems creepy and rather self-indulgent to me. That self-indulgence in fantasy allows them to wallow in imagined pain and suffering to 'babies', rather than no such things for the undeveloped embryo or fetus.

And then of course they try to use it in word and writing as emotional rhetoric to dishonestly portray abortion as the murder of babies :roll:

OTOH, I'd stop following that chick on FB...I dont want to read about all that, lol.
 
soylentgreen said:
You forgot one very important rule here. And that is, it is a women decision to make. And this woman has obviously made that decision so to her that is a life and hope and love that is in her. What you referred to is someone who has made another decision that does not entail those values. Reproductive freedom is about having the right to decide if she will produce not about what is growing in her.
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I'm not telling anyone they have to abort their "baby". All I'm saying is, show a little bit of sensitivity to women who have had to have abortions before. You're entitled to make your own reproductive choices, but not shame women who don't hold these religious belief that fetuses are people.
 
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I'm not telling anyone they have to abort their baby. All I'm saying is, show a little bit of sensitivity to women who have had to have abortions before. You're entitled to make your own reproductive choices, but not shame women who don't hold these religious belief that fetuses are people.
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THis was the point of your post? Really? Is it serious or a joke?
 
Well, I guess we can see why more women don't speak out over being offended by people referring to their fetuses as "babies". If you dare ask people to be more sensitive, people will jump all over you.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Well, I guess we can see why more women don't speak out over being offended by people referring to their fetuses as "babies". If you dare ask people to be more sensitive, people will jump all over you.
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If you get offended by a woman calling their unborn child a "baby", you need medical help.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Well, I guess we can see why more women don't speak out over being offended by people referring to their fetuses as "babies". If you dare ask people to be more sensitive, people will jump all over you.
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If that was your point, it boggles the mind.

a) It's FB, anyone can unfollow her.

b) I've seen people realize it hurts the feelings of some women or couples that want kids and keep miscarrying or not getting pregnant, and then being more sensitive...but why should they hide their joy? There's 2 sides to it and both have to try to be conscious of it. I'm sure their friends that cant reproduce are still happy for her.

c) there are consequences to all our actions. If you have an abortion and regret it, that's a consequence, you live with it. We all have to make tough decisions in life, divorce for example, and that doesnt mean that it was the wrong decision. But you still have to live with it.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I'm not telling anyone they have to abort their "baby". All I'm saying is, show a little bit of sensitivity to women who have had to have abortions before. You're entitled to make your own reproductive choices, but not shame women who don't hold these religious belief that fetuses are people.
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Or people can simply unfollow other people on FB. FFS! Should one refrain from celebrating and enjoying their pregnancy in the privacy of their own home as well, lest someone be walking past the window?

Sorry, I know you're probably trying to be supportive, but ... come on. Pulling a Grinch isn't going to help anyone. And what's more, if it had been my wife that you had sent such a message to, my response would be massively more aggressive.

We all have decisions to make in this life, and they should be ours to make, in my opinion, free of interference or judgement from anyone else. But don't expect everyone to change themselves to honor your decision, any more than you want to change yourself to honor theirs. If you really actually did post this on this poor woman's PERSONAL FB page, you are guilty of a dick move.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Well, I guess we can see why more women don't speak out over being offended by people referring to their fetuses as "babies". If you dare ask people to be more sensitive, people will jump all over you.
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Perhaps you could learn to be more sensitive to her, as well as the numerous women out there who would give anything to get pg, carry to term, and have a healthy baby...
 
OlNate said:
Or people can simply unfollow other people on FB. FFS! Should one refrain from celebrating and enjoying their pregnancy in the privacy of their own home as well, lest someone be walking past the window?

Sorry, I know you're probably trying to be supportive, but ... come on. Pulling a Grinch isn't going to help anyone. And what's more, if it had been my wife that you had sent such a message to, my response would be massively more aggressive.

We all have decisions to make in this life, and they should be ours to make, in my opinion, free of interference or judgement from anyone else. But don't expect everyone to change themselves to honor your decision, any more than you want to change yourself to honor theirs. If you really actually did post this on this poor woman's PERSONAL FB page, you are guilty of a dick move.
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You're making it sound like I have a problem with her having a baby or acting like she's Mary Magdeline over it. I can get past making the socially-irresponsible decision to have a baby in such an overpopulated world and even being happy about it.

I have a big problem with the anthropomorphization of fetuses. Imagine you're a person that had to make the difficult choice of having an abortion. How would you feel to see fetuses characterized as being people?
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
You're making it sound like I have a problem with her having a baby or acting like she's Mary Magdeline over it. I can get past making the socially-irresponsible decision to have a baby in such an overpopulated world and even being happy about it.

I have a big problem with the anthropomorphization of fetuses. Imagine you're a person that had to make the difficult choice of having an abortion. How would you feel to see fetuses characterized as being people?
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If you don't like the show, change the channel. That's what I do. The reality is they are doing it on their personal FB page. If it were a public space, maybe a different story - I would be equally inspired to roll my eyes, but more inclined towards sensitivity. But this is not a public space, and the onus is on the followers to decide whether they want to view the content.

You seem to have a massive sense of entitlement when it comes to how people should live their lives in deference to others. And I'm saying this as a fiercely pro-choice, fiercely pro-SJ progressive. Think about that for a second.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I have a big problem with the anthropomorphization of fetuses. Imagine you're a person that had to make the difficult choice of having an abortion. How would you feel to see fetuses characterized as being people?
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It's less common to see this in a pro-choice supporter: believing that women are stupid or are like children and dont understand what's going on inside their bodies. It's similar to the pro-lifers that want to force women to look at sonograms of their fetuses, the assumption being that women are so uneducated that they dont actually know :doh And it's emotional blackmail as well.

IMO the great majority of women having abortions were very aware of the developmental status of their unborn and made an informed decision. Data shows most women dont regret their decision. IMO women are not so weak-minded that being confronted with pregnant women causes them pain.

If they have regrets about missing motherhood...there's no reason they cant get pregnant again.
 
OlNate said:
If you don't like the show, change the channel. That's what I do. The reality is they are doing it on their personal FB page. If it were a public space, maybe a different story - I would be equally inspired to roll my eyes, but more inclined towards sensitivity. But this is not a public space, and the onus is on the followers to decide whether they want to view the content.

You seem to have a massive sense of entitlement when it comes to how people should live their lives in deference to others. And I'm saying this as a fiercely pro-choice, fiercely pro-SJ progressive. Think about that for a second.
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This isn't about one particular person's Facebook posts. This is about a society-wide trend.

You should ask yourself is it enough to want women to be able to get abortions, or should we work towards a society where there is no ugly judgementalism and stigma around exercising reproductive freedom. After all, is it enough to have that freedom if there is stigma around it?

I guess you're one of those who want anti-choice protestors to be able to protest around clinics.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
This isn't about one particular person's Facebook posts. This is about a society-wide trend.

You should ask yourself is it enough to want women to be able to get abortions, or should we work towards a society where there is no ugly judgementalism and stigma around exercising reproductive freedom. After all, is it enough to have that freedom if there is stigma around it?

I guess you're one of those who want anti-choice protestors to be able to protest around clinics.
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Speaking of judging...
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
This isn't about one particular person's Facebook posts. This is about a society-wide trend.

You should ask yourself is it enough to want women to be able to get abortions, or should we work towards a society where there is no ugly judgementalism and stigma around exercising reproductive freedom. After all, is it enough to have that freedom if there is stigma around it?
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Have any women who had abortions indicated they are sensitive about 'other women having babies?'

Where exactly did this idea come from? Is there any real-life basis? Can you point out the 'society-wide trend?'

Starting to sound more like people that successfully lost weight shouldnt post it on social media because it might hurt fat people's feelings. Esp. those dieting and failing.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I'm not telling anyone they have to abort their "baby". All I'm saying is, show a little bit of sensitivity to women who have had to have abortions before. You're entitled to make your own reproductive choices, but not shame women who don't hold these religious belief that fetuses are people.
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Wait a minute. When did it become a religious belief that a fetus are people? That is the belief of a person who wants a child not just specifically of a theist. A woman who does not want a child might want to think in those terms that the fetus is something other than a life if it helps her get through it. Otherwise she may be aware but still decides to make the decision on other grounds.

The sensitivity here is in recognising and supporting the womens choice.

The argument by theists is that all fetuses should be treated as if they were people with a right to life and disregard the idea that it is a womens right to make that decision. If a woman feels any shame because she aborted and another did not then that is more a case of the woman still having issues with her decision that she needs to deal with, rather than the pregnant woman shaming her by having a baby.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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Oh stuff it.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
This isn't about one particular person's Facebook posts. This is about a society-wide trend.

You should ask yourself is it enough to want women to be able to get abortions, or should we work towards a society where there is no ugly judgementalism and stigma around exercising reproductive freedom. After all, is it enough to have that freedom if there is stigma around it?

I guess you're one of those who want anti-choice protestors to be able to protest around clinics.
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And I guess you're one of those who want to drive their point so badly that they don't pay attention to what people talking to them are saying, if you're actually coming at me with your last sentence. Identifying with the life growing inside you is hardly driving stigma around abortion, and supporting one's right to do that is not the same as supporting protests at clinics. Stop the nonsense.
 
In case anyone doesn't know, you shouldn't take anything the OP says seriously.
 
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