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Pregnant women using scientifically-accurate terminology

Elvira said:
Now, that's getting right to the point...:lol:
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Yeah sorry, the woman has a right to discuss her pregnancy any way she wants to, looking forward to meeting her child. Those who don't like it can put her on ignore or get a life.
 
Goshin said:
In case anyone doesn't know, you shouldn't take anything the OP says seriously.
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Well, now you tell us...:doh:2razz:
 
Lovebug said:
Yeah sorry, the woman has a right to discuss her pregnancy any way she wants to, looking forward to meeting her child. Those who don't like it can put her on ignore or get a life.
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No need to apologize...it was probably what most of us were thinking...
 
Goshin said:
In case anyone doesn't know, you shouldn't take anything the OP says seriously.
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LOL Thanks.

No wonder he wasnt capable of refuting any of my points.

My opener was indeed, 'is this a joke?'
 
Lursa said:
LOL Thanks.

No wonder he wasnt capable of refuting any of my points.

My opener was indeed, 'is this a joke?'
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Never anything but.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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Bless your heart.
 
I am as pro-choice as they come but you are being ridiculous (assuming your story is true, which I doubt). People use figures of speech all the time. And even if a fetus isn’t technically a baby, there is a positive side to the prospective parents thinking of it as a baby from the outset. It gives them a head start on the bonding process which has been shown to be beneficial to all parties. And the more the expecting mother thinks of it as a baby the more careful she will be in making healthy choices during gestation and the more attentive the expecting father will be. Those things don’t matter if the pregnancy isn’t going to be brought to term but are VERY important if it is.

Besides, people call their damn pets and cars their babies so I really can’t muster the outrage over someone calling their own fetus that.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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Im guessing your message caused many people on facebook to make it fun of it. They probably called it monumentally stupid and retarded for how factually inaccurate it was.

Then they probably told you to mind your business and not to read her facebook if you dont like it because nobody rationally and honest would be "offended" over her calling it a baby.

Now while im SURE this is a fake post its fun to make fun of how its a huge fail none the less.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I am as pro-choice as they come but you are being ridiculous (assuming your story is true, which I doubt). People use figures of speech all the time. And even if a fetus isn’t technically a baby, there is a positive side to the prospective parents thinking of it as a baby from the outset. It gives them a head start on the bonding process which has been shown to be beneficial to all parties. And the more the expecting mother thinks of it as a baby the more careful she will be in making healthy choices during gestation and the more attentive the expecting father will be. Those things don’t matter if the pregnancy isn’t going to be brought to term but are VERY important if it is.

Besides, people call their damn pets and cars their babies so I really can’t muster the outrage over someone calling their own fetus that.
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Yes, but no one believes their cars or pets are actual babies. People think their fetuses are, though, and it has the power to perpetuate the stigma of abortion.

Do you think there is any way we can truly be a pro-choice society while there is stigma around reproductive freedom? You can make all the laws you want but sexist and religious stigma can be almost as powerful as laws.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Do you think there is any way we can truly be a pro-choice society while there is stigma around reproductive freedom? You can make all the laws you want but sexist and religious stigma can be almost as powerful as laws.
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How is a woman referring to her unborn as a 'baby' promoting stigma around reproductive freedom? Please explain.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
... but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.
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IF YOU WAG YOUR TONGUE THE WRONG WAY, YOU DESERVE THE CONSEQUENCES. An unborn human is 100% human and 100% alive and 0% person and should never be called a "baby". There is a specific technical reason for that last thing. Most folks are well aware that a human fetus looks a lot like an ordinary baby, and they also know that for thousands of years it has been traditional to equate them.

HOWEVER! In the past few decades DNA testing became possible, and now we know a new Fact, one that apparently was never considered for thousands of years. That Fact Is: Much of the placenta has the same DNA as the fetus, which means that much of the placenta is part of the overall unborn human. We also know (have known for a longish time) that the placenta's existence is vital to the unborn human; it cannot survive without it until (late in a pregnancy, when it might survive a premature birth).

We ALSO know that the primary functions of the placenta include stealing nutrients from the body of the hostess of the unborn human, dumping toxic biowastes into her body, and infusing addictive and mind-altering substances into her body.

THEREFORE Birth Makes A Huge Difference between an unborn human and an actual ordinary baby, which no longer needs a placenta as a vital organ for survival. And that's why no unborn human should any longer ever be called a "baby" --it is far too different an entity for that equating to be sensible.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So, there's this chick I know who has been trying to get pregnant for a while and recently was finally able to do so. Great for her. Yay. Well, she's been really obnoxious on Facebook telling everyone about every midnight craving and morning hurl and what not. It's gotten on my nerves, but I let it slide until one day when she mentioned her "baby" was getting some exercise inside her uterus, which just burned my butt too much for me to hold my tongue.

I responded to her on Facebook in the most polite way I could: (paraphrased) "[woman's name], we are all happy that you are finally able to have the baby you want, but just a word of caution. Your characterizing your fetus as a "baby" can be offensive to women who have had to make the very difficult decision to terminate a pregnancy. Your unnecessary humanization of a lifeless fetus shames women out of making critical reproductive decision."

I knew some probably wouldn't like me saying that, but I wasn't expecting it to go over as well as strippers in a mosque. what's especially disappointing is to see a lot of women directing venom at me. Still can't figure out why they are conditioned to hate their reproductive freedom so much. We've got a long way to go in this culture in order to secure reproductive freedom for women.
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The difference between a baby and a fetus? One is wanted and one is not.

But you're right about the emotional vulnerability of many women who have had abortions. My wife is retired but volunteers at a women's clinic and there is a rather large support group for women who have had an abortion and can't get past it. Especially around what would have been the "baby's" birthday. My wife told me she's never met a woman who wanted to get an abortion; every one one felt pressured to do so, by economics, or their partner, or even family. It's an ugly business.
 
I'm pro choice but you need to relax. To her it is her baby and there's really no harm in that. If she is irritating you, just ignore her. Why waste your time getting offended? Bigger fish to fry. And women seeking abortion in America have more to worry about than pregnant women being happy about their pregnancy on Facebook.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
I'm not telling anyone they have to abort their "baby". All I'm saying is, show a little bit of sensitivity to women who have had to have abortions before. You're entitled to make your own reproductive choices, but not shame women who don't hold these religious belief that fetuses are people.
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By your own accounting, the pregnant woman didn’t shame anyone, and if you didn’t like what she posted you should have kept your unsolicited opinion to yourself.
 
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