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Should a doctor be forced to perform an abortion or transgender surgery?

Should a doctor be forced to perform an abortion or transgender surgery?

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Bucky

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From the ACLU:

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” As enshrined in the First Amendment, religious freedom includes two complementary protections: the right to religious belief and expression and a guarantee that the government neither prefers religion over non-religion nor favors particular faiths over others. These dual protections work hand in hand, allowing religious liberty to thrive and safeguarding both religion and government from the undue influences of the other.
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https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty

The fundamental right to religious liberty cannot be violated. Contraception, abortions referrals are things against the Christian teaching and forcing doctors to go against their faith and religion would be a clear violation of religious liberty.
 
Bucky said:
From the ACLU:



https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty

The fundamental right to religious liberty cannot be violated. Contraception, abortions referrals are things against the Christian teaching and forcing doctors to go against their faith and religion would be a clear violation of religious liberty.
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If the doctor works for a hospital that allows abortions to be performed yes, he should be fired if he refuses. He is free to go work for a private religious hospital that fits his religious beliefs.
 
Bucky said:
From the ACLU:



https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty

The fundamental right to religious liberty cannot be violated. Contraception, abortions referrals are things against the Christian teaching and forcing doctors to go against their faith and religion would be a clear violation of religious liberty.
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Are you talking about a civil agreement between a physician and his employer or passing a law that states that a physician can't refuse?
 
Yes as long as it is not an emergency but they must refer to someone who will.
 
Legally required? No. But a hospital can certainly fire him or her for refusing.

But I also wouldn’t want a doctor operating on me who wasn’t fully committed to the process. It’s not exactly cake baking.
 
For non-emergency services? No he shouldn't be legally required. However, if the doctor is working FOR someone else, and the terms of that contract would state that he would need to perform abortions or these surgeries, then the doctor could certainly be fired for it since those were the terms of the employment and was agreed to by the doctor.
 
Praxas said:
If the doctor works for a hospital that allows abortions to be performed yes, he should be fired if he refuses. He is free to go work for a private religious hospital that fits his religious beliefs.
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Only if its an emergency physician.
Otherwise if a patient needs an abortion, or wants one in a non emergent situation, the doctor with the moral/ethical issue with abortion can refer her to a physician that can do it.
 
I voted No.

Altho I think it should be required in an emergency situation.

OTOH, if you are unwilling to do abortions, then IMO you should not take a position at a facility that does them.
 
Bucky said:
From the ACLU:

The fundamental right to religious liberty cannot be violated. Contraception, abortions referrals are things against the Christian teaching and forcing doctors to go against their faith and religion would be a clear violation of religious liberty.
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You seem to have a very nonsensical and flawed idea about the freedom of religion. Religious beliefs cannot be imposed upon you, however, you do not have free rain to ignore legitimate laws which have nothing to do with religion, and simply claim that your religion requires you to commit a crime.

Honor killings are very clearly apart of some versions of Islam. Does that mean we have to allow them in the United States as a part of religious liberty? The old testament says we should stone women to dealth if they have sex before marriage. Should we allow that so long those doing the stoning claim that's part of their religion?

Religious freedom allows you to practice your religion as it pertains to yourself. If you don't want to perform abortions then you don't have to become an abortion doctor. If you don't want to perform transgender surgery then you don't have to become a plastic surgeon who would specialize in that kind of thing. But if you want to be something like a gynocologist, or a general family doctor, and the laws require you to referr patients to abortion clinics or transgender clinics if asked, then yes you must do that. It is not in anyway shape or form a violation of your religious liberty.
 
jaeger19 said:
Only if its an emergency physician.
Otherwise if a patient needs an abortion, or wants one in a non emergent situation, the doctor with the moral/ethical issue with abortion can refer her to a physician that can do it.
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If the doctor will not perform a procedure that a hospital deems is required for one of their doctors to do them they can be fired. If they don’t like it they are free to work in a private religious hospital that doesn’t have that option.
 
faithful_servant said:
Are you talking about a civil agreement between a physician and his employer or passing a law that states that a physician can't refuse?
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I have the same question. If a hospital entered into a contract that would require him to do the procedure, he could be at risk for breach of contract.

I cannot see passing a law requiring a surgeon to have a subspecialty of transgender surgery. Sounds beyond preposterous.

With the question immediately posed...it is ridiculous, it is such a specialized procedure that there is no forcing a surgeon to do such a thing. Either he has been willingly trained and has taken the required steps for the hospital to allow him to perform the procedures there or not.
 
Forced? of course not

could he be fired, find himself in breach, have his licensing removed, etc etc? YES Under certain conditions of course :shrug:
 
Praxas said:
If the doctor will not perform a procedure that a hospital deems is required for one of their doctors to do them they can be fired. If they don’t like it they are free to work in a private religious hospital that doesn’t have that option.
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Actually no they can't. only if it places a patient at risk..
 
The questions are stupid. Doctors need to be trained in those procedures to do them. I have yet to hear of a movement to force doctors to be trained in those surgeries and be forced to do them. As for a referral for an abortion, GPs should not be able to refuse to refer - and here, they cannot (refuse). Giving a referral is not interfering with one's right to worship his/her deity.
 
Then they should have become doctors. The biggest part of being a doctor is being objective and doing what is best for the patient. Objecting and not performing the procedure based on your religious beliefs to me is messed up. However, if you want to stick to your convictions, you should provide another doctor that would perform the procedure for your patient, as to flat out denying it.

If you are a pharmacist, you have no right to deny someone their medication or product they want. And the reasoning is just BS, that you object to it. Doing your job is not actually taking the product yourself. THis is why religions is completely dumb, people pick and choose what to follow or not. Most likelyt he objector just wants to shove his religion down everybody's throat.

You want a job, you have to do that job. If you can't becuase of religion, find another job. If you open a business that is not a church, but a business, you have to follow the laws. Anybody can make up a religious conviction and make that their argument for doing or not doing things, or refusing service.
 
Scrabaholic said:
The questions are stupid. Doctors need to be trained in those procedures to do them. I have yet to hear of a movement to force doctors to be trained in those surgeries and be forced to do them. As for a referral for an abortion, GPs should not be able to refuse to refer - and here, they cannot (refuse). Giving a referral is not interfering with one's right to worship his/her deity.
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Actually there has been a movement to "force" doctors to be trained in abortion services.
In response to concerns over incomplete family planning and abortion training in obstetrics and gynecology residency programs, in 1996 the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) mandated that abortion training be included as a requirement of this residency.[5] This requirement is endorsed by the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG).[6] To accommodate institutional policies, some programs divert residents to nonhospital sites for experience in performing abortions. Residents also have the right to opt out of training for personal or religious reasons, but all residents must learn about the management of abortion complications. Although no formal mandates require abortion training in other disciplines, 26 family medicine resident training programs across the United States have integrated family planning education into their trainee curricula; the first such program was initiated in 2004.
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jaeger19 said:
Actually no they can't. only if it places a patient at risk..
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So you are ok if someone claims religious persecution to treat a conservative. Ok got it.
 
Praxas said:
So you are ok if someone claims religious persecution to treat a conservative. Ok got it.
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WTF.. how do you get that from my post?
 
Bucky said:
From the ACLU:



https://www.aclu.org/issues/religious-liberty

The fundamental right to religious liberty cannot be violated. Contraception, abortions referrals are things against the Christian teaching and forcing doctors to go against their faith and religion would be a clear violation of religious liberty.
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The usual primitive uneducated drivel from you. Should a doctor be forced to save your life if his religion does not allow him to help people like you?
 
Scrabaholic said:
The questions are stupid. Doctors need to be trained in those procedures to do them. I have yet to hear of a movement to force doctors to be trained in those surgeries and be forced to do them. As for a referral for an abortion, GPs should not be able to refuse to refer - and here, they cannot (refuse). Giving a referral is not interfering with one's right to worship his/her deity.
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Finally someone who gets it.
 
prometeus said:
The usual primitive uneducated drivel from you. Should a doctor be forced to save your life if his religion does not allow him to help people like you?
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I don't want someone to be forced to do something that will go against his/her faith.
 
You would have to be specialized in at least one of those procedures you mentioned, so don't worry. If it was against their religion, they wouldn't have trained for it.
 
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