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What defunding Planned Parenthood really means.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/deadly-cost-defunding-planned-parenthood-article-1.3297589

Its health centers are on the front lines of fighting women's cancers. Its health professionals provide life-saving screenings — from breast and pelvic exams to pap smears. Planned Parenthood is a critical part of America’s overburdened health care system.

As an oncologist, I know the difference Planned Parenthood screenings can make. They help doctors like me save lives.

For more than 16 years, I’ve led teams that provide comprehensive care for women diagnosed with pelvic cancers. When found at advanced stages, cancer treatment is debilitating and expensive. It can involve extensive surgeries, followed by chemotherapy and radiation.

There is no question that women diagnosed and treated at an early stage have better outcomes. They often avoid invasive treatments and can continue leading full lives as productive members of our society.

Trump signs law letting states block funds to Planned Parenthood
Despite advances in women’s health care, the U.S. medical system struggles to meet basic health care needs. Federally funded community health centers are over-extended and offer limited access. More than half of Planned Parenthood’s 650 health centers are in communities facing severe medical-provider shortages, where routine screenings can be difficult to obtain.

Planned Parenthood fills this void for women in need. Seventy-five percent of Planned Parenthood patients have incomes at or below 150% of the federal poverty level. The organization provides 600,000 cancer screenings each year, with 70,000 women diagnosed with pre-cancerous lesions or early-stage breast or cervical cancer. Planned Parenthood then expedites referrals to the specialists who deliver timely treatment.


Years back, my friends daughter was at one of these federally funded health centers. She was informed of the positive pap smear . The next available appointment for further evaluation (not even treatment) was well over a month away. It was suggested to her that a local Planned Parenthood might be able to help her more quickly. Her further evaluation and treatment began in a weeks time at Planned Parenthood. They also were able to help her access other services quickly as well. Even after she got private insurance she kept going to Planned Parenthood for her GYN needs. She kept up with them until she started a family.
 
Those pap smears and cancer screenings are offered when women go in for birth control...many of those women wouldnt have access to those things otherwise. It saves lives.

The pre-natal care and pre-natal vitamins? Healthier babies are born, with fewer defects.
 
I don't have a problem with Planned Parenthood, but neither am I convinced that it's a miracle worker when it comes to women's health needs.

Women do have health needs, obviously, but what does PP do that the low-income health clinic on the corner not do?

Not abortions, I mean -- outside of abortions. The abortion thing is necessary, but the other healths needs can be met virtually anywhere.

With Obamacare, supposedly, the poor got more coverage so they could go to any clinic for ordinary screenings, right?

I could see where we need outlets to disburse birth control -- is that what PP is doing?

But, whenever I hear that PP is so important because of testing -- I have to wonder why. Testing is everywhere.
 
I don't have a problem with Planned Parenthood, but neither am I convinced that it's a miracle worker when it comes to women's health needs.

Women do have health needs, obviously, but what does PP do that the low-income health clinic on the corner not do?

Not abortions, I mean -- outside of abortions. The abortion thing is necessary, but the other healths needs can be met virtually anywhere.

With Obamacare, supposedly, the poor got more coverage so they could go to any clinic for ordinary screenings, right?

I could see where we need outlets to disburse birth control -- is that what PP is doing?

But, whenever I hear that PP is so important because of testing -- I have to wonder why. Testing is everywhere.

PP is not a miracle worker. It is part of a network that allows men and women access to medical care. It is another option for those who need assistance.

Planned Parenthood is not just an outlet for birth control. Different centers have different availability. The opening bid is birth control, STD testing and treatment, PAP smears, HIV testing and counselling. Then further evaluation and treatment for positive pap smears - this includes treatment of pre-cancers. Vasectomies are available at some. Hell, prenatal care is available at some as well. They can help a woman or man access outside services.

They tend to be in areas that are under resourced.They do not compete with Federally funded centers, they are an alternative. They are not pulling patients away from these centers - many (if not most) of those centers are already overloaded.

And for the record, Obamacare did not magically give everybody coverage. The medicaid folks still have medicaid. But those are too rich for medicaid and too poor for insurance (obamacare) are still screwed.

I am glad there are places where men and women can get easy appointments and affordable care.

By the way, here is what my local PP offers

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services

If you care to look on the website, also look at the appointment area to see how available they are. You will not find that kind of availability for most FFHC.
 
The deadly cost of defunding Planned Parenthood - NY Daily News




Years back, my friends daughter was at one of these federally funded health centers. She was informed of the positive pap smear . The next available appointment for further evaluation (not even treatment) was well over a month away. It was suggested to her that a local Planned Parenthood might be able to help her more quickly. Her further evaluation and treatment began in a weeks time at Planned Parenthood. They also were able to help her access other services quickly as well. Even after she got private insurance she kept going to Planned Parenthood for her GYN needs. She kept up with them until she started a family.

Also, more unwanted pregnancies as people don't have accessible to free or affordable birth control, which makes up the bulk of Planned Parenthoods functions. After all, their name is Planned Parenthood

As usual, the dumb hypocrites don't actually care about abortion or unwanted pregnancy, they just want to proselytize. Of course, once they are born, no food for you, no health insurance for you, no aid for you, you starve and die.

God these people are a scourge on humanity
 
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Testing is everywhere.

No, it isn't.

Also, having a nation-wide network with larger funding has some serious advantages over a "low-income health clinic on the corner".
Some times you can't get what you want from the Mom-and-Pop hardware store on the corner, but you can find it quickly at the Home Depot.

Often times, PP goes and sets up shop where many others don't.
 
The deadly cost of defunding Planned Parenthood - NY Daily News




Years back, my friends daughter was at one of these federally funded health centers. She was informed of the positive pap smear . The next available appointment for further evaluation (not even treatment) was well over a month away. It was suggested to her that a local Planned Parenthood might be able to help her more quickly. Her further evaluation and treatment began in a weeks time at Planned Parenthood. They also were able to help her access other services quickly as well. Even after she got private insurance she kept going to Planned Parenthood for her GYN needs. She kept up with them until she started a family.

Whats that got to do with me? Why should I pay for your friends daughters healthcare? What do I get out of it?
 
Whats that got to do with me? Why should I pay for your friends daughters healthcare? What do I get out of it?

You should probably just leave the USofA.
Your tax dollars go to all kinds of crap you "shouldn't have to pay for".
And they always will.
 
I don't have a problem with Planned Parenthood, but neither am I convinced that it's a miracle worker when it comes to women's health needs.

Women do have health needs, obviously, but what does PP do that the low-income health clinic on the corner not do?

Not abortions, I mean -- outside of abortions. The abortion thing is necessary, but the other healths needs can be met virtually anywhere.

With Obamacare, supposedly, the poor got more coverage so they could go to any clinic for ordinary screenings, right?

I could see where we need outlets to disburse birth control -- is that what PP is doing?

But, whenever I hear that PP is so important because of testing -- I have to wonder why. Testing is everywhere.

Planned Parenthoods are not interchangeable with low income health centers/Federally Qualified Health Centers (FQHC). Both are needed to reach low income persons.

From the health section of this following article:

How Defunding Planned Parenthood will Affect Healthcare


Reproductive health care experts, though, say it’s a mistake to view Planned Parenthood and community health centers as interchangeable simply because they both offer government-subsidized contraception.
Instead, they say, it’s more accurate to consider Planned Parenthood part of a vast health care ecosystem, where it has made itself indispensable by providing one thing — reproductive health care — well.


“Community health centers, unlike Planned Parenthood, have an obligation to see everyone in their communities for everything,”
said Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health policy at George Washington University. “Ideally you want community health centers working hand in glove with organizations like Planned Parenthood, not replacing them.”

Removing Planned Parenthood from the fabric of the health care system wouldn’t just mean that community health centers would have to scale up their family planning departments; they’d have to be prepared to offer a full range of services. This could be an ambitious and expensive goal.

The question of whether community health centers would be able to provide reproductive health care in lieu of Planned Parenthood isn’t entirely hypothetical. Texas provided a dry run, of sorts, when it embarked on a series of efforts to divert funding away from Planned Parenthood in 2011.

First, the legislature instituted broad cuts to family planning services, spurring the closure of 82 clinics, one-third of which were affiliated with Planned Parenthood. Then, after an attempt to steer funds away from Planned Parenthood in the state’s federally funded Medicaid program was stymied by the federal government, Texas decided to forgo federal Medicaid dollars for family planning and set up a state-funded Medicaid lookalike called the Texas Women’s Health Program, which could legally exclude any clinic affiliated with an abortion provider. Iowa is considering a similar move: It would also create a women’s health network with no federal Medicaid support and no participation by abortion providers.

Texas’s example foreshadows what could happen if the Republicans’ defunding proposal goes through and states and localities don’t step in to fill the gap.

It’s hard to know exactly how many low-income women rely on Planned Parenthood; in Iowa, Planned Parenthood served 62 percent of women who received publicly funded contraception from a safety-net center in 2010, according to an analysis by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights. Since then, some Iowa Planned Parenthood facilities have closed, and more women may have gained insurance under the Affordable Care Act, so the numbers aren’t up to date. Supporters of the Iowa bill say 221 existing health care sites are eligible to offer family planning care under their plan.

But even if the same amount of money is being spent on family planning, some women, when faced with a loss of coverage at Planned Parenthood, may not continue receiving services at other local clinics — either because of a lack of capacity or a lack of knowledge about where to go.
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Then there’s the fact that even if they are accepting new patients, community health centers are likely to have longer wait times for an appointment and might not carry a woman’s preferred brand or type of contraception at all. “Other clinics don’t necessarily have night or weekend hours,”
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-defunding-planned-parenthood-could-affect-health-care/
 
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I don't have a problem with Planned Parenthood, but neither am I convinced that it's a miracle worker when it comes to women's health needs.

Women do have health needs, obviously, but what does PP do that the low-income health clinic on the corner not do?

Not abortions, I mean -- outside of abortions. The abortion thing is necessary, but the other healths needs can be met virtually anywhere.

With Obamacare, supposedly, the poor got more coverage so they could go to any clinic for ordinary screenings, right?

I could see where we need outlets to disburse birth control -- is that what PP is doing?

But, whenever I hear that PP is so important because of testing -- I have to wonder why. Testing is everywhere.

Theoretically yes. However, practically, while many less women needed it, many places did not have an alternative place to go to.
 
Whats that got to do with me? Why should I pay for your friends daughters healthcare? What do I get out of it?

You get a healthier society.
 
Whats that got to do with me? Why should I pay for your friends daughters healthcare? What do I get out of it?

It's not rocket science:

U.S. Taxpayers Save $7 For Every Dollar The Government Spends On Family*Planning – ThinkProgress

and this:
In 2014, publicly funded family planning services from all sources (including safety-net centers and private doctors who accept Medicaid) helped women to avoid about two million unintended pregnancies, which would have resulted in nearly one million unintended births and nearly 700,000 abortions.[3]

Without publicly funded family planning services from all sources in 2014, rates of unintended pregnancy, unplanned birth and abortion in the United States might have been 68% higher, and the rate of teen pregnancy might have been 73% higher.[3]

In 2014, publicly funded family planning services provided by Title X–supported centers helped prevent nearly one million unintended pregnancies, which would have resulted in more than 400,000 unintended births and 300,000 abortions.[3]

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/publicly-funded-family-planning-services-united-states

Do you need it spelled out? All these unintended, unaffordable pregnancies prevented...which would have cost millions and millions more in welfare and other public assistance.

You save money...that's what you get out of it.
 
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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/deadly-cost-defunding-planned-parenthood-article-1.3297589




Years back, my friends daughter was at one of these federally funded health centers. She was informed of the positive pap smear . The next available appointment for further evaluation (not even treatment) was well over a month away. It was suggested to her that a local Planned Parenthood might be able to help her more quickly. Her further evaluation and treatment began in a weeks time at Planned Parenthood. They also were able to help her access other services quickly as well. Even after she got private insurance she kept going to Planned Parenthood for her GYN needs. She kept up with them until she started a family.

The dishonest witchhunt for PP always makes me laugh. People just have kneejerk reactions to nonsensical emotions without having any facts. Doing things to try and hurt PlannedParenthood hurts healthcare PERIOD. More specially lower income people and women.

Said it before and ill say it again dont quote me on exact numbers because i haven't looked in a while but both PA and Ohio have about 30 PPs each. and only 10 or so do abortions. Dont know what other states look like but the nonsensical false claims that PP only does abortions has never held any water. In two states only 33% do, so what are the majority doing? It isnt abortions :)

PP arguable does more than any other org to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Shutting them down is a new, higher type of illogical stupidity which results in cutting off the nose to spite the face.
 
You should probably just leave the USofA.
Your tax dollars go to all kinds of crap you "shouldn't have to pay for".
And they always will.

Maybe you should leave and stop forcing me to pay for stuff we never agreed to. That would make more sense.
 
Maybe you should leave and stop forcing me to pay for stuff we never agreed to. That would make more sense.

Again if you dont like taxes this country isnt for you. We all pay for stuff everyday we didnt agree to.
 
It's not rocket science:

U.S. Taxpayers Save $7 For Every Dollar The Government Spends On Family*Planning – ThinkProgress

and this:


Do you need it spelled out? All these unintended, unaffordable pregnancies prevented...which would have cost millions and millions more in welfare and other public assistance.

You save money...that's what you get out of it.

Perhaps thats WHY theres so many bad decisions, because other people pay for them. There are more alternatives than either have a baby make other people pay for it, or dont have a baby.
 
Perhaps thats WHY theres so many bad decisions, because other people pay for them. There are more alternatives than either have a baby make other people pay for it, or dont have a baby.

not sure what countries out there dont have taxes but good luck!
 
You get a healthier society.

And how does that justify taking my property? How does paying several thousand in taxes which then go to other peoples healthcare secure my life, liberty, and happiness?
 
Perhaps thats WHY theres so many bad decisions, because other people pay for them. There are more alternatives than either have a baby make other people pay for it, or dont have a baby.

Really? What's your plan for stopping people from having sex?

Let's see if there's any actual reality behind your self-righteousness.
 
And how does that justify taking my property? How does paying several thousand in taxes which then go to other peoples healthcare secure my life, liberty, and happiness?

Hey, if you'd rather pay 'more' of your property rather than 'less', feel free. I already showed you the financial bottom line. Apparently a compassionate perspective doesnt matter to you (not to mention that more health issues, less ability to work and contribute to society...ADD up to MORE tax burdens on society....can you connect these dots at all?).
 
And how does that justify taking my property? How does paying several thousand in taxes which then go to other peoples healthcare secure my life, liberty, and happiness?

It justifies it because with a healthier society, there is less crime, and a less dangerous environment for you. There is also a bigger safety net for when something unexpected happens to you, or your family.

Of course, one must wonder why you are so resistant to doing good for the community as a whole.
 
Whats that got to do with me? Why should I pay for your friends daughters healthcare? What do I get out of it?
So your problem is not with PP, it is with any government funding for healthcare.
 
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