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What defunding Planned Parenthood really means.

You should probably just leave the USofA.
Your tax dollars go to all kinds of crap you "shouldn't have to pay for".
And they always will.

And of course, they demand that everybody else must pay to kill brown people all over the world. Money spent on killing and destroying things is good, healthcare for women, access to birth control, that's bad. Again, these people are the scourge of humanity and the same type throughout history that commits and supports atrocities and tries to prevent human growth

Again if you dont like taxes this country isnt for you. We all pay for stuff everyday we didnt agree to.

Ha, that person just had two of the standard unoriginal and dumb right wing responses, claim "why should I pay for that" and "maybe you should leave the country"

Ha, do these people know how stupid these post make them appear
 
The government funding for planned parenthood was about $800M, with an additional $400M from private funding. Since this program is loved by the Democrats, but not supported by the Republicans, why not make it fully funded by Democrats? This can be done by charity and by added taxes on Democrats. The owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, could easily fund the difference all by himself. There are a lot of greedy rich Democrats who could be exploited, who publicly support this.

The trend in big government is for Democrats to play Santa Claus to get votes. They come up with ideas, to get credit for votes, while forcing the Republicans to pay half. The Republicans never get credit for their share. If you read these six pages, the right is never thanked for spending $1/2Billon per year in taxes on planned parenthood. They get condemned, and still have to pay. This is the political problem.

If the Democrats, want all the credit, they need to pay the entire tab. If the Democrats covered the entire tab, the Republican cannot complain about what others do with their own money. If my neighbor wants to build a new pool, it is none of my business. If I live in condo and my neighbors want a new pool, and I have to pay higher condo fees, but I don't swim, I will complain about the added expense, for something I will not use. This is the bottom line. The solution is simple. Put you money where your mouth is. Actions speak louder than words.

Trump is forcing the Democrats to put their money with mouth is, since the Democrats want to accept all the credit but pay half. The mistake the left makes is in insulting those who pay half the tab and get no credit. This does not encourage cooperation. If the real goal of the Democrats was to help women, there would be no hesitation to give credit, to anyone who helps with the finances. That is not the case. If I wanted a pool at the condo and know Mr Jones does not swim, I don't insult him and take his money. I might place his name on a plaque, so he gets something; recognition.
 
The government funding for planned parenthood was about $800M, with an additional $400M from private funding. Since this program is loved by the Democrats, but not supported by the Republicans, why not make it fully funded by Democrats? This can be done by charity and by added taxes on Democrats. The owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, could easily fund the difference all by himself. There are a lot of greedy rich Democrats who could be exploited, who publicly support this.

So then, Repubs should pay for foster care, children on welfare etc, right? Since they insist they be born .....
 
The government funding for planned parenthood was about $800M, with an additional $400M from private funding. Since this program is loved by the Democrats, but not supported by the Republicans, why not make it fully funded by Democrats? ....

The Title X services program had bi-partisan support and a Republican President signed the Act.
A little history:
The Title X Family Planning Program, officially known as Public Law 91-572 or “Population Research and Voluntary Family Planning Programs”, was enacted under President Richard Nixon in 1970 as part of the Public Health Service Act. ...

In 1972, Congress passed another bill to draw funds from each state's Medicaid program to help pay for family planning for low income families, the states to be 90% repaid by the federal government. A third bill was passed in 1975 authorizing a network of family planning centers to be built across the U.S., in 2014, some 4,400 centers were in operation...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X


Ten Public Health Service Regional Offices are given the Title X funding and subsequently award regional service and training grant funds through a competitive review process. These offices also monitor program performance.[1] Planned Parenthood clinics and affiliates are granted approximately 25% of Title X funding.[5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_X



About 75 percent of Title X goes to county clinics , hospitals ,and Religious organizations that are not affiliated with Planned Parenthoods.
 
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Really? What's your plan for stopping people from having sex?

Let's see if there's any actual reality behind your self-righteousness.

Easy, tax it. The more children you have the more taxes you pay. If you tax something you get less of it.
 
Hey, if you'd rather pay 'more' of your property rather than 'less', feel free. I already showed you the financial bottom line. Apparently a compassionate perspective doesnt matter to you (not to mention that more health issues, less ability to work and contribute to society...ADD up to MORE tax burdens on society....can you connect these dots at all?).

I can pay less either way. I dont HAVE to pay for welfare, youre making me. And no, "a compassionate perspective doesnt matter to you". My existence and happiness is not based around how other people feel. Nor do I require that others feel good about me. All I require is that they dont kill me and dont take my stuff. Thats the purpose of govt and society.
 
It justifies it because with a healthier society, there is less crime, and a less dangerous environment for you. There is also a bigger safety net for when something unexpected happens to you, or your family.

Of course, one must wonder why you are so resistant to doing good for the community as a whole.

Why would you wonder that? Thats a very base human function. Take care of your own first. If you want me to do worse so the community can do good, you still have to convince me that its actually good for me. And Im not convinced that giving my earnings to a welfare mother in California somehow makes for a healthier society and less crimes for me in Florida. Nor do I require, nor agreed to a societal safety net. I work and make my own.
 
Why would you wonder that? Thats a very base human function. Take care of your own first. If you want me to do worse so the community can do good, you still have to convince me that its actually good for me. And Im not convinced that giving my earnings to a welfare mother in California somehow makes for a healthier society and less crimes for me in Florida. Nor do I require, nor agreed to a societal safety net. I work and make my own.

That is exactly what I am saying. Your being convinced or not convinced is not relevant. You think you work and make your own, but you are one car accident away from not being able to. You may now use the mindless rhetoric about complaining about 'stateist'
 
you still have to convince me that its actually good for me.

No. We don't.

You do have options though.

1) move to some place that "treats you better"
2) stay, but don't pay taxes
3) stay, pay taxes

It's your choice.
 
Easy, tax it. The more children you have the more taxes you pay. If you tax something you get less of it.

Currently the govt encourages people to have kids (more little taxpayers) and allow to pay LESS taxes with the Child Tax Credit ($1000/kid).

But it's interesting that you would suggest a penalty for having kids. So you are pro-choice?
 
I can pay less either way. I dont HAVE to pay for welfare, youre making me. And no, "a compassionate perspective doesnt matter to you". My existence and happiness is not based around how other people feel. Nor do I require that others feel good about me. All I require is that they dont kill me and dont take my stuff. Thats the purpose of govt and society.

LOL *I'm* not making you do anything. And you dont have to pay for anything...you can leave the US.

But otherwise, that's a rather fanciful post ya got there...so, why are you paying for welfare then? And subsidized birth control? And Medicaid? And food stamps? Why havent you opted out yet?
 
The government funding for planned parenthood was about $800M, with an additional $400M from private funding. Since this program is loved by the Democrats, but not supported by the Republicans, why not make it fully funded by Democrats? This can be done by charity and by added taxes on Democrats. The owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, could easily fund the difference all by himself. There are a lot of greedy rich Democrats who could be exploited, who publicly support this.

The trend in big government is for Democrats to play Santa Claus to get votes. .

Because it benefits both Democrats and Republicans and independents and communists and socialists, etc. In many ways, but I did post one of the most basic: overall $$$ savings

It's not rocket science:

U.S. Taxpayers Save $7 For Every Dollar The Government Spends On Family*Planning – ThinkProgress

and this:

In 2014, publicly funded family planning services from all sources (including safety-net centers and private doctors who accept Medicaid) helped women to avoid about two million unintended pregnancies, which would have resulted in nearly one million unintended births and nearly 700,000 abortions.[3]

Without publicly funded family planning services from all sources in 2014, rates of unintended pregnancy, unplanned birth and abortion in the United States might have been 68% higher, and the rate of teen pregnancy might have been 73% higher.[3]

In 2014, publicly funded family planning services provided by Title X–supported centers helped prevent nearly one million unintended pregnancies, which would have resulted in more than 400,000 unintended births and 300,000 abortions.[3]

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-shee...-united-states

I cant help it that some parties are (overall) so stupid that they while they complain about costs, they would make more expensive choices! When you do that, who needs Santa?
 
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The government funding for planned parenthood was about $800M, with an additional $400M from private funding. Since this program is loved by the Democrats, but not supported by the Republicans, why not make it fully funded by Democrats? This can be done by charity and by added taxes on Democrats. The owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, could easily fund the difference all by himself. There are a lot of greedy rich Democrats who could be exploited, who publicly support this.

The trend in big government is for Democrats to play Santa Claus to get votes. They come up with ideas, to get credit for votes, while forcing the Republicans to pay half. The Republicans never get credit for their share. If you read these six pages, the right is never thanked for spending $1/2Billon per year in taxes on planned parenthood. They get condemned, and still have to pay. This is the political problem.

If the Democrats, want all the credit, they need to pay the entire tab. If the Democrats covered the entire tab, the Republican cannot complain about what others do with their own money. If my neighbor wants to build a new pool, it is none of my business. If I live in condo and my neighbors want a new pool, and I have to pay higher condo fees, but I don't swim, I will complain about the added expense, for something I will not use. This is the bottom line. The solution is simple. Put you money where your mouth is. Actions speak louder than words.

Trump is forcing the Democrats to put their money with mouth is, since the Democrats want to accept all the credit but pay half. The mistake the left makes is in insulting those who pay half the tab and get no credit. This does not encourage cooperation. If the real goal of the Democrats was to help women, there would be no hesitation to give credit, to anyone who helps with the finances. That is not the case. If I wanted a pool at the condo and know Mr Jones does not swim, I don't insult him and take his money. I might place his name on a plaque, so he gets something; recognition.

So can Republicans still go to PP for care?
 
That is exactly what I am saying. Your being convinced or not convinced is not relevant. You think you work and make your own, but you are one car accident away from not being able to. You may now use the mindless rhetoric about complaining about 'stateist'

If the shoe fits. Last I checked we had govt by consent though. Sounds like youre in the wrong country.
 
LOL *I'm* not making you do anything. And you dont have to pay for anything...you can leave the US.

But otherwise, that's a rather fanciful post ya got there...so, why are you paying for welfare then? And subsidized birth control? And Medicaid? And food stamps? Why havent you opted out yet?

Because the govt would send men with guns to lock me up. There is no Opt out.
 
If the shoe fits. Last I checked we had govt by consent though. Sounds like youre in the wrong country.

Not 100%. For example, I object to funding a wall, and the military, but I will have to pay taxes that go to funding a wall and the military. If you don't want to consent, feel free to either leave the country, or refuse to pay taxes. You are more than welcome to try to break the law if you don't choose to pay taxes.
 
No. We don't.

You do have options though.

1) move to some place that "treats you better"
2) stay, but don't pay taxes
3) stay, pay taxes

It's your choice.

Yeah. You do. See above about govt by consent. You leave. Im happy with the laws the states agreed to. Obviously you arent since you want to force people to do a bunch of things they didnt.
 
Not 100%. For example, I object to funding a wall, and the military, but I will have to pay taxes that go to funding a wall and the military. If you don't want to consent, feel free to either leave the country, or refuse to pay taxes. You are more than welcome to try to break the law if you don't choose to pay taxes.

Your state already agreed to funding security and immigration control. Where did mine agree to spending on healthcare?
 
Your state already agreed to funding security and immigration control. Where did mine agree to spending on healthcare?

It doesn't matter one bit. You might not like how the government is set up.. but that is the environment you live it. Live in it or leave it.

Or, you can try to go through the legal process to change it. Good luck with that one.
 
Because the govt would send men with guns to lock me up. There is no Opt out.

You can move anytime.

But you are correct, there is no opt out.

On the one hand, you would refuse to pay taxes. On the other, you recommend the govt tax a family for their children....

Soooooo, does it make sense to you now, spelled out like that? No? Good, it shouldnt. It's not consistent or logical.
 
Yeah. You do.

Seriously, no, I don't.

Another option you have is hiring a lawyer and taking this whole thing as far into the legal system as you can.
See if you can get to where taxes are 100% optional.
Or maybe get us an "a la carte" style tax system where every individual can pay for only the programs and systems they support.

Let us know how that works out for you.
 
So your problem is not with PP, it is with any organization or facility or hospital that uses government funds.

Feel free not to frequent any such facility. Ever. Good luck getting sick.
You can keep your sarcastic remark, I have no problem not participating in the BS system we call healthcare.
 
If the shoe fits. Last I checked we had govt by consent though. Sounds like youre in the wrong country.

By choosing to live here you are consenting to the current government and choosing to abide by it's current laws and regulations. That includes your taxes and the governments right to choose how they're spent.

These anti-tax arguments surface here on DP periodically, and are mercilessly crushed every time. It's low hanging fruit for anyone of average intelligence, because there is no logical support for it, just a lot of emotional "It's my money and they're stealing it to pay for stuff I don't like!"

We all need an easy pick every now and then though, so don't stop on my account.
 
You can keep your sarcastic remark, I have no problem not participating in the BS system we call healthcare.
It was not sarcastic. This is thread about PP specifically being targeted. Your issue is with healthcare in general . That is a different debate.
 
It was not sarcastic. This is thread about PP specifically being targeted. Your issue is with healthcare in general . That is a different debate.

PP should not be funded at all by tax payer money. Is that any more clear?
 
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