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Abortion hurts women

jdog21 said:
No you dont understand I am a women so i should be able kill another person. Cause if I dont murder them then they could cause me emtional pain and physical pain. Then someone will be dependant on me and i cant even take care of myself, let alone someone else. SO lets legalize murder ok?
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Why do you believe an embryo or early stage fetus deserves the same protection as a teenager?
 
Bucky said:
I don't believe women should always be valued. Especially if they commit malicious acts of violence against other humans.

When they commit unspeakable acts, they should be valued in prison.
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define malicious acts of violence.
 
Lursa said:
Can you please explain how the govt would stop women from killing the unborn inside them without violating some or all of their Constitutional rights and those endowed by the DOI? Up to and including their right to life.

Or is that acceptable? To violate a woman's rights in order to accord the same (implied) rights for the unborn?

(I write 'implied' because legally the unborn have no rights)
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Just like government does with most crimes. If someone tells the cops that you comited a crime they investigate to find facts
 
jdog21 said:
Embryo, Zygote, Fetus, Baby, Toddler, Child, Teen, Adult.
These are all made up words that we as humans use to discribe what stage of development a human is in. We can not as a society say its ok to kill the first 3 and leave the other 5 as protected. When society choose its ok to kill a person as long as they are a certain age, we are not any different then the people who said it was ok to kill slaves or the jews.
If all it takes is a simple majority to say ya at this age its ok to kill them then its not long until another simple majority will come along and change it to, well at this age then its ok
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You do not understand Constitutional law nor do you understand Roe v Wade.

You fail to understand the woman is a born person with a Constitutional right to privacy.

An underborn is not a person.

From this Live Science article:


From the following Live Science article:

Constitutional rights

The right to privacy often means the right to personal autonomy, or the right to choose whether or not to engage in certain acts or have certain experiences. Several amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been used in varying degrees of success in determining a right to personal autonomy:

The First Amendment protects the privacy of beliefs
The Third Amendment protects the privacy of the home against the use of it for housing soldiers
The Fourth Amendment protects privacy against unreasonable searches
The Fifth Amendment protects against self-incrimination, which in turn protects the privacy of personal information
The Ninth Amendment says that the "enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people." This has been interpreted as justification for broadly reading the Bill of Rights to protect privacy in ways not specifically provided in the first eight amendments.


The right to privacy is most often cited in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment, which states:



No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

However, the protections have been narrowly defined and usually only pertain to family, marriage, motherhood, procreation and child rearing.

For example, the Supreme Court first recognized that the various Bill of Rights guarantees creates a "zone of privacy" in Griswold v. Connecticut, a 1965 ruling that upheld marital privacy and struck down bans on contraception.
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...sident-american-history-2.html#post1068070743
 
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jdog21 said:
Embryo, Zygote, Fetus, Baby, Toddler, Child, Teen, Adult.
These are all made up words that we as humans use to discribe what stage of development a human is in. We can not as a society say its ok to kill the first 3 and leave the other 5 as protected. When society choose its ok to kill a person as long as they are a certain age, we are not any different then the people who said it was ok to kill slaves or the jews.
If all it takes is a simple majority to say ya at this age its ok to kill them then its not long until another simple majority will come along and change it to, well at this age then its ok
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All words are made up.

Zefs aren't persons.

Give me one good reason why you should get to dictate to a stranger what she can or cannot do with the contents of her uterus.
 
Scrabaholic said:
All words are made up.

Zefs aren't persons.

Give me one good reason why you should get to dictate to a stranger what she can or cannot do with the contents of her uterus.
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You don't like what they're doing, so you should dicate what they can or can't do.
Oh wait, we're talking about GOOD reasons? My apologies.
 
jdog21 said:
Just like government does with most crimes. If someone tells the cops that you comited a crime they investigate to find facts
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How would anyone know?

And how would they know you didnt have a miscarriage?
 
jdog21 said:
Embryo, Zygote, Fetus, Baby, Toddler, Child, Teen, Adult.
These are all made up words that we as humans use to discribe what stage of development a human is in. We can not as a society say its ok to kill the first 3 and leave the other 5 as protected. When society choose its ok to kill a person as long as they are a certain age, we are not any different then the people who said it was ok to kill slaves or the jews.
If all it takes is a simple majority to say ya at this age its ok to kill them then its not long until another simple majority will come along and change it to, well at this age then its ok
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Society cant? Society already has:

U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.
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And let's not be Chicken Little about the sky falling. Abortion has been the law of the land for almost 50 years...no groups of 'people' are being targeted for death.

Do you believe that all people should be treated equally?
 
Abortion doesn't "hurt" women, or anyone for that matter. Forcing women to go through a nine month pregnancy and give birth to a baby because of your own religious beliefs hurts them.
 
Scrabaholic said:
All words are made up.

Zefs aren't persons.

Give me one good reason why you should get to dictate to a stranger what she can or cannot do with the contents of her uterus.
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Her uterus she can do what she wants with it.
Once there is a human inside it, that human has the right to life
 
minnie616 said:
You do not understand Constitutional law nor do you understand Roe v Wade.

You fail to understand the woman is a born person with a Constitutional right to privacy.

An underborn is not a person.

From this Live Science article:


From the following Live Science article:



https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...sident-american-history-2.html#post1068070743
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How is any of this any different, Just cause you decide you want the ability to take away someones life that society should allow you to take that life with out the consequences
 
Lursa said:
How would anyone know?

And how would they know you didnt have a miscarriage?
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Thats all semantics. If no one knows you murdered your neighbor then obiouvsly you cant get in trouble for it. As far as the distinction between was it a miscarriage or murder is up to the invistagtors to find out and the prosecutors office to determine if they think their is enough evidence to try you in court.
 
Lursa said:
Including women then, correct?
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Again everyone deserves protection, yes even women, to have life until those rights start interfering with other peoples rights.
So if I can jump ahead to what your getting at, A womens life is protected under the law so if someone tries to take her life away they will be judged and punished for it. Once their is a human life it has protection under the law to the right of life even from the same women who wants to destroy that others life.
 
jdog21 said:
Her uterus she can do what she wants with it.
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Agreed.


Once there is a human inside it, that human has the right to life
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Zefs don't have any rights. Even if they did, nobody has the right to use anyone's body for life support against their will. We cannot be compelled to donate blood or bone marrow, even when we are the only known compatible person and the person will die without it.
 
Lursa said:
Society cant? Society already has:

U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8



And let's not be Chicken Little about the sky falling. Abortion has been the law of the land for almost 50 years...no groups of 'people' are being targeted for death.

Do you believe that all people should be treated equally?
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Slavery was the law of the land for over 70 years but we wised up and decided black people are human to and they deserve the right to life just like everyone else. Just cause we got things wrong in the past and are currently getting them wrong today doesnt mean we cant understand that life is something we make up and justify that they're this age so its ok (USA), or that they're this gender so its ok (china) or that they're this race (nazi) or they're this color (old usa) ect.
 
jdog21 said:
It is a fact that a baby is inside the womb and it is a fact that the baby is a human being
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Incorrect. It's spelled out quite clearly in my country's criminal code - it had to be born alive to be a human being.


223. (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed;

(b) it has an independent circulation; or

(c) the navel string is severed.

https://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/223-when-child-becomes-human-being
 
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