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Abortion hurts women

Abortion isn't pleasant, or good, or without risks. But what is is is an expression of women's right to bodily sovereignty. In an ideal world abortions wouldn't happen, but we're not in an ideal world, and in our world abortions are preferable to abrogating women's fundamental freedoms and treating them as second class citizens.

What about fundamental freedoms like living? There is a reason why the phrase is: “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, life comes before liberty.
 
The most comprehensive and largest study of the mental health risks associated with abortion,was published on September 1, 2011, in the prestigious British Journal of Psychiatry.The study was a meta-analysis that examined 22 other studies that had been published between 1995 and 2009.[1] The study involved 877,181 women – 163,831 of whom had abortions.

This study was found to be flawed, and subsequent researchers were unable to duplicate Coleman's results, even when using her own data. Priscilla Coleman has a known and demonstrable bias. Her study is tainted.

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists noted that Coleman's results conflict with those of four previous literature reviews, all of which found that women who have abortions did not face an increased risk of mental health problems. The College suggested that Coleman's results were due to her failure to control for pre-existing mental-health problems, which tend to be more prevalent in women having abortions.[12] This meta-analysis was also criticized by Julia Steinberg and a number of other researchers, who wrote in 2012 that it contained seven significant errors, as well as three shortcomings of the included studies. Steinberg et al. concluded that these errors and shortcomings "render the meta-analysis’ conclusions invalid."[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_K._Coleman

"We were unable to reproduce the most basic tabulations of Coleman and colleagues... Moreover, their findings were logically inconsistent with other published research—for example, they found higher rates of depression in the last month than other studies found during respondents' entire lifetimes. This suggests that the results were substantially inflated."[5]

In short -- her study has been debunked.
 
Problem is, I believe in God's eyes you were a human being in your mother's womb with an immortal soul. We abort 50 million babies a year worldwide. That's a lot of people legally Slaughtered.

I'm sorry liberals... I'm sorry I'm this way... but I have to stick up for millions of defenseless human beings slain legally.

"Problem is" - no what you believe is "in God's eyes" is not a problem for me. It is, in fact, a matter of complete indifference so there is no need for you to express sorrow to liberals or to those of a more conservative persuasion like me.
 
Problem is, I believe in God's eyes you were a human being in your mother's womb with an immortal soul. We abort 50 million babies a year worldwide. That's a lot of people legally Slaughtered.

I'm sorry liberals... I'm sorry I'm this way... but I have to stick up for millions of defenseless human beings slain legally.

If you honestly feel that human beings are being slain, then no one can fault you for speaking out. But, in that case, why apologize for your feelings?

The vast majority of people, however, do not agree with you, and most of them feel as though an early-term fetus, although it is obviously a potential human, is not equal in value to the human in which it is growing. Although the lines are arbitrary, most believe that as the fetus develops it gradually gains more value, so that when it's born, it's of full value to its mother and other autonomous humans. Our laws are set up to reflect this belief so many hold, which is why abortion is permitted on-demand in early pregnancy, and then gradually restricted in later pregnancy.

No one likes abortion, but they understand that is a necessary procedure at times.
 
The most comprehensive and largest study of the mental health risks associated with abortion,was published on September 1, 2011, in the prestigious British Journal of Psychiatry.The study was a meta-analysis that examined 22 other studies that had been published between 1995 and 2009.[1] The study involved 877,181 women – 163,831 of whom had abortions.
NOT IMPRESSED. It is well-known how abortion opponents cherry-pick data. I fully expect them to cherry-pick "studies", also. You can bet anything you like that this study, and all others like it, were not included in that "meta-analysis".

(don't have time right now to respond to other parts of your post, but will do so later)
 
The most comprehensive and largest study of the mental health risks associated with abortion ....
TOTALLY FAILED TO INCLUDE DATA LIKE THIS. Or this. Or, especially, this. Because the actual problem is not abortion, but the bullying, the denunciations, the ostracizing, the denigrations, by abortion opponents, toward women to obtain abortions.

If you are a mother considering having your child slaughtered[]
NOT APPLICABLE TO ABORTION. An unborn human is so very different from an ordinary "child" that to call it a child is to insult an actual ordinary child. But abortion opponents routinely tell Stupid Lies and Deny Facts, in their feeble attempts to sway political opinion. Tsk, tsk!

The spirit of your slain son/daughter still lives and one day you will be reunited.
AN IGNORANT LIE. It is impossible for the purely physical egg-fertilization event to create an immortal soul, just like it is impossible for some physical event to destroy an immortal soul. Do you not understand what the word "immortal" actually means?

I dated a girl who had names for her two aborted children and she was in a lot of psychological conflict and torment over a decision she could never reverse.
OBVIOUSLY SHE NEEDED A BETTER EDUCATION THAN THE LIES OF ABORTION OPPONENTS. There is nothing mystical about an unborn human, a pure-animal entity that provably acts worse than any parasite. Use you brain, dude! About 1/6 of unborn humans Naturally miscarry, and if they had souls, then their associating with the actions of unborn human bodies would rate them as worthy of hellfire-and-damnation as any poisoner or drug-pusher.

Homicide is the act of one human killing another.
TRUE. However, that doesn't automatically mean that the killing of human life has any significance whatsoever.

To think women are stupid enough to [swallow the Stupid Lies of abortion opponents] is a severe insult to the intelligence of women!
CORRECT. per the corrected "quotation" just above.
 
The OP is a load of horse hockey.


Conclusions
In the three years after terminating a pregnancy, women tended to cope well emotionally. Women overwhelmingly felt abortion was the right decision in both the short-term and over three years, and the intensity of emotions and frequency of thinking about the abortion declined over time. Yet high coping and resilience were not observed among all individuals: those with more intended pregnancies and difficulty making the abortion decision experienced poorer emotional outcomes after an abortion. Individualized counseling for women having difficulty with the abortion decision might help improve their emotional welfare over time [41]. Efforts to combat stigma may also support the emotional well-being of women terminating pregnancies.

Decision Rightness and Emotional Responses to Abortion in the United States: A Longitudinal Study
 
Problem is, I believe in God's eyes you were a human being in your mother's womb with an immortal soul.

My god is pro-choice.



We abort 50 million babies a year worldwide. That's a lot of people legally Slaughtered.


0 people slaughtered.


I'm sorry liberals... I'm sorry I'm this way... but I have to stick up for millions of defenseless human beings slain legally.

I'm not liberal. No human beings are "slaughtered" in abortion.



If you've had an abortion, apologize to the child and God, and move on. The child forgives you and the two of you shall be reunited eventually

Women who abort have nothing to apologize for.


You were once a fetus. Are you glad your mother never aborted you?

That **** should have aborted all of her pregnancies. She had no business giving birth.
 
Problem is, I believe in God's eyes you were a human being in your mother's womb with an immortal soul. We abort 50 million babies a year worldwide. That's a lot of people legally Slaughtered.

I'm sorry liberals... I'm sorry I'm this way... but I have to stick up for millions of defenseless human beings slain legally.

What in the world is god doing about abortion? He, she, it is the freaking creator of the universe. It’s like god is acting like an eight year old kid who sits around torturing people in the manner kids now do with ants and a magnifying glass.

God has a pretty nasty rap sheet when it comes to aborting via miscarriage - but most of all aborting untold millions of “born people”, wiping off the face of the planet, not to mention the plagues, famines, and other delightful ways of making humans suffering.

What you believe god does, thinks, plans, is 100% your choosing to believe that you have the ability to know those things.

No babies have been aborted. Embryos and early stage fetuses aren’t babies.

No defenseless human beings have been legally slaughtered except by law enforcement and governments around the world who have been at war since human beings figured out how to kill each other.

You need to focus on prevention not condemnation. You need to rally for the 10 million kids under the age of 5 who suffer and die each year from “preventable causes”.

When born persons learn how to care for the born, how to not be so damn destructive toward each other - then we can have a civil discussion about abortion. Even the, aside from high technology but control being a part of the discussion, a Star Trek Transporter and and artificial womb will need to be a part of the solution.

“Your sorry liberals?” Seriously? Conservative women, Catholic women, Baptist women, Muslim women, etc, etc, etc have Abortion and in countries where abortion could mean 50 year sentence or worse.

So please spare us your moral high ground, sanctimonious lectures.
 
Rapes and incest account for less than 1% of abortions... If I were a victim of such, I would probably get an abortion, but it doesn't change the fact that it's homicide...if someone was raped does that give them permission to kill the human being that had nothing to do with it?

It isn't the woman's fault either. If men would control their lusts we would have far fewer abortions... Hedonism n love for pleasure is what leads to the 50 million abortions every year

If you are going to throw statistics at us then post sources.
 
What in the world is god doing about abortion? He, she, it is the freaking creator of the universe. It’s like god is acting like an eight year old kid who sits around torturing people in the manner kids now do with ants and a magnifying glass.

God has a pretty nasty rap sheet when it comes to aborting via miscarriage -

That has always been my question. If you define abortion taking the life of an unborn child and God is against this then why does God do so many abortions? Most estimates put the percent of miscarriages at 20-25% of conceptions. Gods abortions if you will.
 
From the American Psychiatric Association Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion


The Task Force concluded that there is no credible evidence that a single elective abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in and of itself causes mental health problems for adult women.

The research consistently found that the backgrounds and circumstances of the women who seek abortions vary.

https://www.reproductiverights.org/d...h-and-abortion

Report of APA Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion | Center for Reproductive Rights
 
The most comprehensive and largest study of the mental health risks associated with abortion,was published on September 1, 2011, in the prestigious British Journal of Psychiatry.The study was a meta-analysis that examined 22 other studies that had been published between 1995 and 2009.[1] The study involved 877,181 women – 163,831 of whom had abortions.

Here’s what the study found:

Women who have had an abortion have an 81% higher risk of subsequent mental health problems compared to women who have not had an abortion.

Women who aborted have a 138% higher risk of mental health problems compared to women who have given birth.

Women who aborted have a 55% higher risk of mental health problems compared to women with an “unplanned” pregnancy who gave birth.

Women with a history of abortion have higher rates of anxiety (34% higher), depression (37%), alcohol use/misuse (110%), marijuana use (230%), and suicidal behavior (155%) compared to those who have not had abortions.

[Dr. Coleman’s meta-analysis excluded studies that were potentially biased or weak. The meta analysis only included studies that were published in peer reviewed journals, had at least 100 women participating, controlled for prior history of mental health or abuse (that could have skewed the results), and compared women to those who had not had abortions with those who had abortions.]
Abortion Hurts Women – Illinois Right to Life Abortion Hurts Women ? Illinois Right to Life

If you are a mother considering having your child slaughtered please at least give the child a name and apologize to him/her for having him/her put to death. The spirit of your slain son/daughter still lives and one day you will be reunited.

I dated a girl who had names for her two aborted children and she was in a lot of psychological conflict and torment over a decision she could never reverse. Women aren't stupid! Their instincts will let them know they severely went against their maternal nature by having their children slain. A nation that kills it's own children is a nation without hope. If you're reading this, then your mother never aborted you. I'm sorry, I love liberals and will likely lose any liberal friends I had here.

Homicide is the act of one human killing another.[1] A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.
Homicide - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide

To think women are stupid enough to not realize they are having their child murdered is a severe insult to the intelligence of women! To think this won't cause the wounded mother trauma, guilt, regret, and internal conflict is extremely ridiculous.

If you had an abortion, I love you, God loves you, and your aborted child loves you and forgives you. If you are liberal, I feel you. I used to be pro-choice as one can get. I started a previous thread titled "Abortion is beautiful". I told my pro-life mother she should have aborted me. I have lived in jails and mental institutions with murderers, gangsters, junkies, pedophiles, and hoodlums, that I feel would have been better off aborted. I feel it is the lesser of two evils to have a child with HIV, fetal alcohol syndrome, or various other disabilities aborted, but homicide is homicide regardless.

What bothers me most is not the death of the child. The child dies and is spared the agony of life. It is the pain and grief it causes the mother who went against her maternal instincts to have her own child, the fruit of her womb, slaughtered, that bothers me the most. Realizing the pain, trauma, and mental health issues abortion causes women is what bothers me the most as well as how sick it is for society to approve of such madness!

A nation which legalizes homicide and kills it's innocent children is a nation without hope! I love you liberals and I feel you. I'm sorry but I had to speak the obvious truth here. God bless you!

Quite frankly: so the hell what?

Abortion should be and is legal, and, yes, there may be some psychological issues, there may not be.

That this angers you is just a side benefit of its legal status.

That, and that study has been debunked.

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-rel...bortion-and-mental-health-outcomes-decisively

Please try and be less dishonest.
 
That has always been my question. If you define abortion taking the life of an unborn child and God is against this then why does God do so many abortions? Most estimates put the percent of miscarriages at 20-25% of conceptions. Gods abortions if you will.

I hear ya.

It’s one of the mysteries around God’s role in divine intervention. A mystery that people who want to bring God’s plan or how God intervenes into the many arguments related to abortion - because they believe that they can think and understand God in supernatural ways.

No matter how hard ordinary human beings try, they’ll never be able to have the ability to remotely grasp any aspects of how, when, or why supernatural entities intervene in human events or affairs - if they or it exists.
 
Abortions hurt fetuses...

Abortions (unless performed for severe maternal distress or severe fetal medical issues) are performed when a fetus lacks the ability to perceive pain.
 
From the American Psychiatric Association Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion



https://www.reproductiverights.org/d...h-and-abortion

Report of APA Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion | Center for Reproductive Rights

I know women who have had abortions and 30 years later are fine. It was the unplanned unwanted pregnancy that was the stressor. The two women I know that gave up a child for adoption have significant emotional issues. One knows how the child is and is not allowed to see her (distant relative adopted) the other tried to connect and the attempt fell flat.
 
I know women who have had abortions and 30 years later are fine. It was the unplanned unwanted pregnancy that was the stressor. The two women I know that gave up a child for adoption have significant emotional issues. One knows how the child is and is not allowed to see her (distant relative adopted) the other tried to connect and the attempt fell flat.

What is your point?

I know good men that went to combat, saw dead bodies and killed people, came back to the states and are fine....

Does that mean PTSD does not exist?
 
I know women who have had abortions and 30 years later are fine. It was the unplanned unwanted pregnancy that was the stressor. The two women I know that gave up a child for adoption have significant emotional issues. One knows how the child is and is not allowed to see her (distant relative adopted) the other tried to connect and the attempt fell flat.

Years ago, on a Yahoo abortion debate group, there was a woman who had both had an abortion and placed a child for adoption. She said that placing the child for adoption was by far harder than aborting and she would never give a child up again.
 
The most comprehensive and largest study of the mental health risks associated with abortion,was published on September 1, 2011, in the prestigious British Journal of Psychiatry.The study was a meta-analysis that examined 22 other studies that had been published between 1995 and 2009.[1] The study involved 877,181 women – 163,831 of whom had abortions.

Here’s what the study found:

Women who have had an abortion have an 81% higher risk of subsequent mental health problems compared to women who have not had an abortion.

Women who aborted have a 138% higher risk of mental health problems compared to women who have given birth.

Women who aborted have a 55% higher risk of mental health problems compared to women with an “unplanned” pregnancy who gave birth.

Women with a history of abortion have higher rates of anxiety (34% higher), depression (37%), alcohol use/misuse (110%), marijuana use (230%), and suicidal behavior (155%) compared to those who have not had abortions.

[Dr. Coleman’s meta-analysis excluded studies that were potentially biased or weak. The meta analysis only included studies that were published in peer reviewed journals, had at least 100 women participating, controlled for prior history of mental health or abuse (that could have skewed the results), and compared women to those who had not had abortions with those who had abortions.]
Abortion Hurts Women – Illinois Right to Life Abortion Hurts Women ? Illinois Right to Life

If you are a mother considering having your child slaughtered please at least give the child a name and apologize to him/her for having him/her put to death. The spirit of your slain son/daughter still lives and one day you will be reunited.

I dated a girl who had names for her two aborted children and she was in a lot of psychological conflict and torment over a decision she could never reverse. Women aren't stupid! Their instincts will let them know they severely went against their maternal nature by having their children slain. A nation that kills it's own children is a nation without hope. If you're reading this, then your mother never aborted you. I'm sorry, I love liberals and will likely lose any liberal friends I had here.

Homicide is the act of one human killing another.[1] A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm.
Homicide - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide

To think women are stupid enough to not realize they are having their child murdered is a severe insult to the intelligence of women! To think this won't cause the wounded mother trauma, guilt, regret, and internal conflict is extremely ridiculous.

If you had an abortion, I love you, God loves you, and your aborted child loves you and forgives you. If you are liberal, I feel you. I used to be pro-choice as one can get. I started a previous thread titled "Abortion is beautiful". I told my pro-life mother she should have aborted me. I have lived in jails and mental institutions with murderers, gangsters, junkies, pedophiles, and hoodlums, that I feel would have been better off aborted. I feel it is the lesser of two evils to have a child with HIV, fetal alcohol syndrome, or various other disabilities aborted, but homicide is homicide regardless.

What bothers me most is not the death of the child. The child dies and is spared the agony of life. It is the pain and grief it causes the mother who went against her maternal instincts to have her own child, the fruit of her womb, slaughtered, that bothers me the most. Realizing the pain, trauma, and mental health issues abortion causes women is what bothers me the most as well as how sick it is for society to approve of such madness!

A nation which legalizes homicide and kills it's innocent children is a nation without hope! I love you liberals and I feel you. I'm sorry but I had to speak the obvious truth here. God bless you!

Abortion hurts women?

So does treating women as lesser second class citizens, violating their rights, forcing them to give birth against their will and forcing them to risk health and life against their will :shrug:

Seems your OP completely fails ;)
 
No proof exists that cell phones cause cancer either but we all know it does Minnie.

We do?

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/cell-phones-fact-sheet

BTW, where is the movement to outlaw cell phones? Funny how people use the alleged risk of cancer as a reason to ban abortion but don't do the same for other activities....

The alleged cancer link is a red herring. Many, if not most, anti choicers don't care if a woman who aborts gets cancer.
 
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