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That is part of the numbers, but not most of it. It is more common to have sex than the past. .

I call bull****. It's just more overt now.

Please provide some sources to support your wishful thinking. And it was kids just as young too...they started much earlier in many societies, as did marriage.
 
I call bull****. It's just more overt now.

Please provide some sources to support your wishful thinking. And it was kids just as young too...they started much earlier in many societies, as did marriage.

I'm speaking of our society. Not others.

Do you disagree we have more 15 yr. old girls getting pregnant than 40 years ago?
 
I'm speaking of our society. Not others.

Do you disagree we have more 15 yr. old girls getting pregnant than 40 years ago?

yes.

I dont know how many were but I have no reason to believe it was more or less.

It was one of those things that people went to alot of trouble to hide back then.

What data do you have?
 
The U.S. fertility rate has reached an all-time record low. Most of the western world is seeing similar rates. In the 70's Canada's birth rate was 2.3 now it's 1.6. Say hello to why high rates of immigration are happening.

There are many possible reasons for it. The main ones being that even with dual income people can't afford to have kids anymore. Also as women become more educated, they are just opting to not have kids because they see what a trap it is.

That said... male contraception seems iffy right now. All the reports I've read so far show major side effects, irreversible damage to the reproductive system, and decreased libido. People shrug it off like it's no big deal but sexuality is a source of primary pleasure for most people and if they suddenly lose that it can cause major depression.
 
well then since you wish not to try to reduce the root problem, i suggest you start a foundation and gather like minded people together, abd form charities to support these irresponsible people, and reduce the tax burden of responsible tax payers.

I am sick and tired of "you guys" legally stealing my hard earned money. Taxes are too high, to support the irresponsible.

Self righteous? Better than being an enabler of irresponsibility.

you guys?
 
I'm speaking of our society. Not others.

Do you disagree we have more 15 yr. old girls getting pregnant than 40 years ago?

The government would have significant problems implementing population control in the west, mostly legal, because of our foundation of secular humanism. There was a Republican senator recently who said that people should have more kids if they want to have any hope of social security continuing. He wasn't joking. China's one child policy was successful because they have no human rights. They could force women to get abortions or simply ruin their lives by fining them into oblivion and preventing their children from participating in society. We can't do that here. If we did there would be a revolution. And even now, China has increased the allowance to 2 children because they have to meet replacement. They also have disproportionately more single men than women who are going crazy because they'll never be able to find a mate and have a family. So maybe with two kids fewer girls will suffer infanticide.

The growth model of economy rewards more children because, as much as people don't want to recognize it, humans are also capital. Birth rates will change when having children becomes next to impossible. People will stay on birth control voluntarily because having a kid will ruin their lives. In the poorest African nations, people have 10 kids because only 4 will survive. It's similar in rural India. One day, if having a kid in the U.S. means you might as well face bankruptcy or a life of permanent servitude, a lot fewer people will go through with it. But then you have the religious right who want to force people to have kids, so... it's tough.

So we don't need to create rules, we just need to let nature take its course. The tragedy of the commons remedies most human delusions, including politico-economic ones.
 
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yes.

I dont know how many were but I have no reason to believe it was more or less.

It was one of those things that people went to alot of trouble to hide back then.

What data do you have?

Wow...

I'm sorry you actually believe that.
 
The U.S. fertility rate has reached an all-time record low. Most of the western world is seeing similar rates. In the 70's Canada's birth rate was 2.3 now it's 1.6. Say hello to why high rates of immigration are happening.

There are many possible reasons for it. The main ones being that even with dual income people can't afford to have kids anymore. Also as women become more educated, they are just opting to not have kids because they see what a trap it is.

That said... male contraception seems iffy right now. All the reports I've read so far show major side effects, irreversible damage to the reproductive system, and decreased libido. People shrug it off like it's no big deal but sexuality is a source of primary pleasure for most people and if they suddenly lose that it can cause major depression.

What a stupid journalist.

Fertility rate... Birth rate...

They are not the same. What happens to the birth rate as the abortion rate changes?
 
What a stupid journalist.

Fertility rate... Birth rate...

They are not the same. What happens to the birth rate as the abortion rate changes?

Are you going to address anything I said?

The birth rate is at an all time low and you're complaining about population control. Do you have anything else to add?
 
Wow...

I'm sorry you actually believe that.

Why wouldnt I? I have seen nothing to prove otherwise.

I'm sorry you choose to believe things and base an entire position on it without solid evidence.
 
Are you going to address anything I said?

The birth rate is at an all time low and you're complaining about population control. Do you have anything else to add?

No thanks.

I'm tired of beating my head on the wall. No matter what I say, the morality is lost on people who think abortion is moral.

I was speaking of pregnancy rates. Not birth rates.
 
No thanks.

I'm tired of beating my head on the wall. No matter what I say, the morality is lost on people who think abortion is moral.

I was speaking of pregnancy rates. Not birth rates.

It is moral. There is nothing moral about wishing you could force women to remain pregnant against their wills.

Nothing moral about valuing the unborn's lives & potential futures more than women's lives & potential futures.
 
No thanks.

I'm tired of beating my head on the wall. No matter what I say, the morality is lost on people who think abortion is moral.

I was speaking of pregnancy rates. Not birth rates.

I'm not talking about abortion, you are. You're the one who said that we should put BC in water and only let people get off it once we sanction them for having children. You seem to think there are too many people, or just too many people feeding off the system... yet birth rates are down, so at the current rate within one generation there will be fewer people feeding off the system if we simply do nothing.

Your logic is flawed.
 
It is moral. There is nothing moral about wishing you could force women to remain pregnant against their wills.

Nothing moral about valuing the unborn's lives & potential futures more than women's lives & potential futures.

Yes, I understand. You don't value the unborn.
 
Yes, I understand. You don't value the unborn.

I do value the unborn...but I value women more.

How about you?

Keep in mind, morally nor legally, they cannot be treated equally. One's needs (the unborn have no rights and that is a legal designation) must supersede the other.
 
Teen pregnancy rates vary for numerous reasons, and I specified 15 years old. They count until 19 yrs old for teen pregnancy rates. Yes, the trends have reversed, but still greater than 40-50 years ago for young teens.



Uh, per capita and/or per 100,000? I don't think so. In 1960 there was 181 million people in the US. Today about 324 million. There's a significant drop in teen pregnancies "per 100,000" over the last 50 years.
 
Teen pregnancy rates vary for numerous reasons, and I specified 15 years old. They count until 19 yrs old for teen pregnancy rates. Yes, the trends have reversed, but still greater than 40-50 years ago for young teens.

I posted stats, if you disagree with them, then post some stats showing what you claim.
 
I posted stats, if you disagree with them, then post some stats showing what you claim.

The states were not exclusive by individual years of age, so they don't matter.
 
Yes, I understand. You don't value the unborn.


I do value the unborn...but I value women more.

How about you?


Keep in mind, morally nor legally, they cannot be treated equally. One's needs (the unborn have no rights and that is a legal designation) must supersede the other.
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The states were not exclusive by individual years of age, so they don't matter.

So you want to put birth control in the water and only let people take the antidote if they can prove to the government they are solvent and responsible enough to have kids, but you have problems with teens who get pregnant and people who have abortions.

Those are some strange morals.

Fortunately, the reality of reproductive policy is not so one sided.
 
So you want to put birth control in the water and only let people take the antidote if they can prove to the government they are solvent and responsible enough to have kids,
PROVE THERE IS SUCH A THING AS "a right to breed". If there isn't, then proposals such as the one quoted above (and there are others) cannot be bad things. If there is such a thing as a "right to breed", then, obviously, no restrictions upon it can be allowed.
 
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