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JUST FOR FUN, let's imagine (1) God exists, (2) God is on your side of the Overall Abortion Debate, (3) God is willing to do something to end it once-and-for-all, and (4) God will review suggestions regarding how to go about doing that.

GIVEN THOSE PARAMETERS, what might you suggest God do, so that your side of the Overall Abortion Debate wins? Please note that while most folks understand that God is able to kill human persons with impunity, most human persons object to such things as Acts of God killing their families (in an earthquake, for example). So, while I'm sure some folks would be willing to suggest that God simply cause all the folks on one side of the Overall Abortion Debate to simply drop dead, even they might not like the consequences (having to clean up millions of sudden corpses everywhere, causing car accidents and plane crashes and other damage to civilization's infrastructure, after which the corpses also start rotting and spawning diseases, due to the time it will take to address the scale of the clean-up operation).

SO: Try to suggest something intelligent and less backfirey. For example: While this particular suggestion kills actual persons, at least they have a chance to change their minds, or even avoid attention: Any woman who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to die of pregnancy complications. Any man who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to have all wives and daughters die of pregnancy complications.

ALTERNATE EXAMPLE: I like this one better because no actual persons are killed: All offspring of those who oppose abortion miscarry. Unfortunately, I can see this having a backfire effect, in that these abortion opponents will want others to be forced to carry to term, so that their offspring can be adopted by the abortion opponents.

SO, THIRD EXAMPLE: God invokes a global plague of human miscarriages, 100% rate, for 40 years. This would make it perfectly clear that God cares not-at-all if a pregnancy does not get carried to term, and that God, regardless of what lying preachers have claimed for thousands of years, does not insist that humans "be fruitful and multiply". Also, since the global death rate from all causes is currently roughly about 50 million per year, after 40 years of no successful births the total global human population would have slowly dropped by about 2 billion, relieving a lot of overpopulation pressure. ALSO, when the plague ends, the global pool of women able to have children will all be 40 years old or older. They generally have to be more careful about having children than 20-year-old women, but most of them could do it just fine. However, many will be in the midst of careers they won't want to interrupt, and at least those will be vehemently against becoming forced breeders by doomsday-blatherers. Besides, plenty of women will want to have offspring, and I fully expect there will be sufficient millions of them to prevent the extinction of the human species, even if global population drops some more over the next 20 years.
 
JUST FOR FUN, let's imagine (1) God exists, (2) God is on your side of the Overall Abortion Debate, (3) God is willing to do something to end it once-and-for-all, and (4) God will review suggestions regarding how to go about doing that.

GIVEN THOSE PARAMETERS, what might you suggest God do, so that your side of the Overall Abortion Debate wins? Please note that while most folks understand that God is able to kill human persons with impunity, most human persons object to such things as Acts of God killing their families (in an earthquake, for example). So, while I'm sure some folks would be willing to suggest that God simply cause all the folks on one side of the Overall Abortion Debate to simply drop dead, even they might not like the consequences (having to clean up millions of sudden corpses everywhere, causing car accidents and plane crashes and other damage to civilization's infrastructure, after which the corpses also start rotting and spawning diseases, due to the time it will take to address the scale of the clean-up operation).

SO: Try to suggest something intelligent and less backfirey. For example: While this particular suggestion kills actual persons, at least they have a chance to change their minds, or even avoid attention: Any woman who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to die of pregnancy complications. Any man who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to have all wives and daughters die of pregnancy complications.

ALTERNATE EXAMPLE: I like this one better because no actual persons are killed: All offspring of those who oppose abortion miscarry. Unfortunately, I can see this having a backfire effect, in that these abortion opponents will want others to be forced to carry to term, so that their offspring can be adopted by the abortion opponents.

SO, THIRD EXAMPLE: God invokes a global plague of human miscarriages, 100% rate, for 40 years. This would make it perfectly clear that God cares not-at-all if a pregnancy does not get carried to term, and that God, regardless of what lying preachers have claimed for thousands of years, does not insist that humans "be fruitful and multiply". Also, since the global death rate from all causes is currently roughly about 50 million per year, after 40 years of no successful births the total global human population would have slowly dropped by about 2 billion, relieving a lot of overpopulation pressure. ALSO, when the plague ends, the global pool of women able to have children will all be 40 years old or older. They generally have to be more careful about having children than 20-year-old women, but most of them could do it just fine. However, many will be in the midst of careers they won't want to interrupt, and at least those will be vehemently against becoming forced breeders by doomsday-blatherers. Besides, plenty of women will want to have offspring, and I fully expect there will be sufficient millions of them to prevent the extinction of the human species, even if global population drops some more over the next 20 years.

It's very simple. God must only reveal himself and say "hey, if u abort babies, u gonna burn in hell boi"

I swear, if God, Supreme Ruler Of The Universe and Transcendent Being Of Pure Light rode down my driveway on a luminous chariot of Fire pulled by Giant Pale Unicorns, levitated towards me, and told me in an almighty, booming voice "hey mate, don't abort babies"... I guarantee I would say : "yes sir"
 
JUST FOR FUN, let's imagine (1) God exists, (2) God is on your side of the Overall Abortion Debate, (3) God is willing to do something to end it once-and-for-all, and (4) God will review suggestions regarding how to go about doing that.

GIVEN THOSE PARAMETERS, what might you suggest God do, so that your side of the Overall Abortion Debate wins? Please note that while most folks understand that God is able to kill human persons with impunity, most human persons object to such things as Acts of God killing their families (in an earthquake, for example). So, while I'm sure some folks would be willing to suggest that God simply cause all the folks on one side of the Overall Abortion Debate to simply drop dead, even they might not like the consequences (having to clean up millions of sudden corpses everywhere, causing car accidents and plane crashes and other damage to civilization's infrastructure, after which the corpses also start rotting and spawning diseases, due to the time it will take to address the scale of the clean-up operation).

SO: Try to suggest something intelligent and less backfirey. For example: While this particular suggestion kills actual persons, at least they have a chance to change their minds, or even avoid attention: Any woman who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to die of pregnancy complications. Any man who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to have all wives and daughters die of pregnancy complications.

ALTERNATE EXAMPLE: I like this one better because no actual persons are killed: All offspring of those who oppose abortion miscarry. Unfortunately, I can see this having a backfire effect, in that these abortion opponents will want others to be forced to carry to term, so that their offspring can be adopted by the abortion opponents.

SO, THIRD EXAMPLE: God invokes a global plague of human miscarriages, 100% rate, for 40 years. This would make it perfectly clear that God cares not-at-all if a pregnancy does not get carried to term, and that God, regardless of what lying preachers have claimed for thousands of years, does not insist that humans "be fruitful and multiply". Also, since the global death rate from all causes is currently roughly about 50 million per year, after 40 years of no successful births the total global human population would have slowly dropped by about 2 billion, relieving a lot of overpopulation pressure. ALSO, when the plague ends, the global pool of women able to have children will all be 40 years old or older. They generally have to be more careful about having children than 20-year-old women, but most of them could do it just fine. However, many will be in the midst of careers they won't want to interrupt, and at least those will be vehemently against becoming forced breeders by doomsday-blatherers. Besides, plenty of women will want to have offspring, and I fully expect there will be sufficient millions of them to prevent the extinction of the human species, even if global population drops some more over the next 20 years.

Why should He get involved? More fun this way. You kill the kid => You go to Hell. Cool! Don't you think?
 
It's very simple. God must only reveal himself and say "hey, if u abort babies, u gonna burn in hell boi"

I swear, if God, Supreme Ruler Of The Universe and Transcendent Being Of Pure Light rode down my driveway on a luminous chariot of Fire pulled by Giant Pale Unicorns, levitated towards me, and told me in an almighty, booming voice "hey mate, don't abort babies"... I guarantee I would say : "yes sir"

But maybe being loud about it would be counterproductive. It might be an experiment of some kind or a simulation like a Monte Carlo to some point beyond our intellectual or sensory horizon. Or He is a collector of lost souls.
 
It's very simple. God must only reveal himself and say "hey, if u abort babies, u gonna burn in hell boi"
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHAT GOD MUST DO?

I swear, if God, Supreme Ruler Of The Universe and Transcendent Being Of Pure Light rode down my driveway on a luminous chariot of Fire pulled by Giant Pale Unicorns, levitated towards me, and told me in an almighty, booming voice "hey mate, don't abort babies"...
THAT'S A PRETTY BIG "IF". Especially since you have absolutely zero Objective evidence why any such event or statement to ever happen. All you have are the claims of greedy preachers who want more tithers to get born, and who created the Bible to support their greed.

I guarantee I would say : "yes sir"
AND WHAT IF YOU WERE TOLD TO STOP YOUR NONSENSICAL OPPOSITION? You really ought to pay more attention to your own "signature" line!
 
Why should He get involved? More fun this way. You kill the kid => You go to Hell. Cool! Don't you think?
THE MERE SAY-SO OF HUMANS IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING. You can't prove Hell exists, and you can't prove God opposes abortion. But proof that humans can lie ... there is vast amounts of that proof!
 
JUST FOR FUN, let's imagine (1) God exists, (2) God is on your side of the Overall Abortion Debate, (3) God is willing to do something to end it once-and-for-all, and (4) God will review suggestions regarding how to go about doing that.

GIVEN THOSE PARAMETERS, what might you suggest God do, so that your side of the Overall Abortion Debate wins? Please note that while most folks understand that God is able to kill human persons with impunity, most human persons object to such things as Acts of God killing their families (in an earthquake, for example). So, while I'm sure some folks would be willing to suggest that God simply cause all the folks on one side of the Overall Abortion Debate to simply drop dead, even they might not like the consequences (having to clean up millions of sudden corpses everywhere, causing car accidents and plane crashes and other damage to civilization's infrastructure, after which the corpses also start rotting and spawning diseases, due to the time it will take to address the scale of the clean-up operation).

SO: Try to suggest something intelligent and less backfirey. For example: While this particular suggestion kills actual persons, at least they have a chance to change their minds, or even avoid attention: Any woman who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to die of pregnancy complications. Any man who publicly opposes abortion is cursed to have all wives and daughters die of pregnancy complications.

ALTERNATE EXAMPLE: I like this one better because no actual persons are killed: All offspring of those who oppose abortion miscarry. Unfortunately, I can see this having a backfire effect, in that these abortion opponents will want others to be forced to carry to term, so that their offspring can be adopted by the abortion opponents.

SO, THIRD EXAMPLE: God invokes a global plague of human miscarriages, 100% rate, for 40 years. This would make it perfectly clear that God cares not-at-all if a pregnancy does not get carried to term, and that God, regardless of what lying preachers have claimed for thousands of years, does not insist that humans "be fruitful and multiply". Also, since the global death rate from all causes is currently roughly about 50 million per year, after 40 years of no successful births the total global human population would have slowly dropped by about 2 billion, relieving a lot of overpopulation pressure. ALSO, when the plague ends, the global pool of women able to have children will all be 40 years old or older. They generally have to be more careful about having children than 20-year-old women, but most of them could do it just fine. However, many will be in the midst of careers they won't want to interrupt, and at least those will be vehemently against becoming forced breeders by doomsday-blatherers. Besides, plenty of women will want to have offspring, and I fully expect there will be sufficient millions of them to prevent the extinction of the human species, even if global population drops some more over the next 20 years.

hmm let both parents decide if they want a conception

get rid of pregnancy just magic a new human of what ever age desired maybe with a basic education already installed Adam and eve style after a 9 month wailing period that either parent can veto at any time
 
If God was on my “side” of the debate, he’d simple make it so abortion never needed considering in the first place; no unwanted pregnancies, no terminal genetic defects, no serious threats to mothers health, etc.

That raises the obvious question of course.
 
Clearly, what he would have to do is cause an immaculate conception, and send angels that only the parents ever see, to let them know that this was the son (daughter?) of God. Said offspring would then need to disappear 15-20 years, and then resurface, preaching the good word of the need for abortions (except, of course, when it applies to immaculate conceptions), culminating in sacrificing him/her to to martyred by "the enemy", pro life concervatives, so that, 80-100 years later, grandiose and fantastic stories can be spread, and a great movement happen.


Yeah, I figure, that's the obvious move for the big guy.
 
AND WHAT IF YOU WERE TOLD TO STOP YOUR NONSENSICAL OPPOSITION? You really ought to pay more attention to your own "signature" line!

Whatever he would tell me is right or wrong, I would instantly start doing. It's God after all. If he really does exist, I'll do whatever I can to live my way in a way that will protect my soul from an eternity in hell.
 
Whatever he would tell me is right or wrong, I would instantly start doing. It's God after all. If he really does exist, I'll do whatever I can to live my way in a way that will protect my soul from an eternity in hell.
I NEED TO PARTIALLY APOLOGIZE FOR MY PREVIOUS POST TO YOU. I strayed a bit from the parameters of this Thread. However, what you wrote in your previous msg amounted to "God indulges in cheap theatrics" --average folks today are more sophisticated about spectacles than folks of millennia ago. What makes you think that just because such a spectacle happened, God would actually be the entity behind it?

THEREFORE, you are actually asking for God to reveal Self in a way that no one can dispute, and you want that revelation to include some kind of Command suitable for ending the Overall Abortion Debate. OKAY. Thank you for your input.
 
hmm let both parents decide if they want a conception
get rid of pregnancy just magic a new human of what ever age desired maybe with a basic education already installed Adam and eve style after a 9 month wailing period that either parent can veto at any time
THAT'S A REQUEST FOR A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN HUMAN REPRODUCTION. It is certainly obvious that if pregnancies don't happen, abortions would be impossible. OKAY.
 
THAT'S A REQUEST FOR A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN HUMAN REPRODUCTION. It is certainly obvious that if pregnancies don't happen, abortions would be impossible. OKAY.

your cap lock button stuck?

so what if it is a fundamental change its still simple and should not be hard for a god and it would end abortion while giving every one more choice
 
If God was on my “side” of the debate, he’d simple make it so abortion never needed considering in the first place; no unwanted pregnancies, no terminal genetic defects, no serious threats to mothers health, etc.
VERY NICE. Thank you.

That raises the obvious question of course.
WHY DO SUCH IMPERFECTIONS EXIST? I think there is a standard answer to that, something like "adversity builds character". I'm pretty sure that the type of adversity doesn't matter, and so the Overall Abortion Debate fully qualifies as a type of adversity.
SO: Is ending that Debate really a good idea? Hmmmmm.......
 
Clearly, what he would have to do is cause an immaculate conception, and send angels that only the parents ever see, to let them know that this was the son (daughter?) of God. Said offspring would then need to disappear 15-20 years, and then resurface, preaching the good word of the need for abortions (except, of course, when it applies to immaculate conceptions), culminating in sacrificing him/her to to martyred by "the enemy", pro life concervatives, so that, 80-100 years later, grandiose and fantastic stories can be spread, and a great movement happen.
SORRY, THIS APPEARS TO ALSO QUALIFY AS "God indulges in cheap spectacle" --what makes you think this offspring would be believed better than the last one?

Yeah, I figure, that's the obvious move for the big guy.
YET IT WAS NOT GLOBALLY EFFECTIVE. There are still oodles of believers of other religions out there. This kind-of makes me wonder about at least one Standard Idiocy of Christianity, that God is unchanging (means "unable to learn from experience").....
 
SORRY, THIS APPEARS TO ALSO QUALIFY AS "God indulges in cheap spectacle" --what makes you think this offspring would be believed better than the last one?


YET IT WAS NOT GLOBALLY EFFECTIVE. There are still oodles of believers of other religions out there. This kind-of makes me wonder about at least one Standard Idiocy of Christianity, that God is unchanging (means "unable to learn from experience").....

God is perfect. Ergo, previous solutions executed by God were perfect solutions. If something is a perfect solution, why try anything else.
 
God is perfect. Ergo, previous solutions executed by God were perfect solutions. If something is a perfect solution, why try anything else.
AH, but can you actually prove any particular thing was actually executed by God? Some abortion opponents are fond of an Old Testament verse about how God "formed you in the womb", and want folks to think that God is always involved there --except we know that there is a Natural miscarriage rate of about 1/6 of all confirmed pregnancies (and a 50% death rate between conception and confirmation of pregnancy). If God was perfect and perfectly involved, how could that be possible? Logically, God is not-at-all involved in forming human bodies in the womb, except perhaps on special occasions (like the particular prophet referenced in that verse I mentioned, or when it was time for Jesus).
 
THE MERE SAY-SO OF HUMANS IS NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING. You can't prove Hell exists, and you can't prove God opposes abortion. But proof that humans can lie ... there is vast amounts of that proof!

Prove? Who could ever be so ignorant to believe humans could know?
 
Prove? Who could ever be so ignorant to believe humans could know?
HUMANS KNOW THINGS THAT HAVE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE. Objectively Verifiable Evidence, that is. Can you provide some for the existence of Hell, or for the notion that God opposes abortion? NOPE! All you have are worthless unsupported claims.
 
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