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My Mother Should Have Aborted Me (article)

MrWonka said:
This is not a reasonable argument in favor of Abortion. Hindsight is 20/20 and decision about whether to give birth should not be made based upon projections about the quality of the child's life. That, of course, doesn't mean abortion should be illegal as the choice should be left entirley up to the woman in terms of whether or not she wants the burdon, and is willing to suffer through the pregancy and health risks of pregnancy. Nobody has a right to occupy your body against your will regardless of how they got there in the first place. You cannot force heroism on someone.
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Agreed with the last part of your post. The woman should make her decision upon criteria of her choosing.
 
Lursa said:
Silly question. THere is no need to do so. The state can act on behalf of a child without violating the rights or risking the life of the mother.
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Silly question or not...should it happen? I know you know the answer. You know I know your answer. So then why not post it? I would think answering a silly question would be easy.


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Lursa said:
No, you continually refer to having the kid as a 'consequence,' thus it is her punishment
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I find myself providing you a lot of definitions.

con·se·quence
ˈkänsikwəns/Submit
noun
1.
a result or effect of an action or condition.
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Do you see anything there about punishment?

. That is what that means...punishment in the form of painful unwanted pregnancy, dangerous more painful childbirth, and then attempting to raise a kid she may not be able to afford or be emotionally prepared for.

The words have meaning. I'm only pointing out that's what your use of 'consequence' really means.

And I see no need for 'more' people to endure what amounts to a higher risk of failure in general in our society. It's not good for society and we dont need 'more' people.

Again, you very clearly believe more in quantity rather than quality of life. That is dehumanizing, reducing the unborn to numbers.

And from a moral perspective? Quality of life wins every time.
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Lursa said:
Yes, we agree on that. Yet you feel you should be able to decide that a woman give that up, or risk it, in order that her unborn should have it. The very same things...yet you feel the unborn is more deserving of it.

Again, it comes down to value. I value women and their lives more...that's pretty much what it amounts to.
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No you don’t. You value the decision making and life style choices of one person over one who has not had the ability to do so.

Period.

And you value the unborn more than '"all" women. It's not selective, it's not either/or. Either women deserve life and a future more, or they dont, because you cant pick and choose the results of the risks she takes. You cant control those consequences you are so fond of. In your beliefs, ALL women would abide by your rules, and all thus be open to the harm to their lives and futures.
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In my BELIEF...women should make rational decisions and act responsibly. And YOU agree with me.



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blackjack50 said:
Ummmm



Might want to give that a read. I think do have that right. In fact...it is pretty expressly stated that I do.


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So all of your ranting about "what isn't acceptable to you" about sexual conduct, responsibilities, etc is your opinion, not a fundamental fact or some enforceable action to impose on people in general... Right?
 
blackjack50 said:
Sure I do. You think it isn’t ok for me to “force my morals” on these others...but yet I’m supposed to accept yours and theirs.

Like I said...ethically I don’t have an argument. And I understand that the dregs will always be dregs. And abortion only reduces the amount of dregs. And it has been a net gain for society. So there really is nothing I can do ethically. It is settled case law. If I were to run for office...that would be my response on the topic...it is a waste of time as an issue and is settled case law, next question.

Morally though? I don’t have to pretend that it is somehow acceptable to end a life because someone is a lazy sack of **** who doesn’t want their lifestyle to change because they couldn’t be bothered to be responsible adults. That isn’t my problem and I’m under no burden to write that off as a morally tolerable action. You don’t like it? Tough titty. There are plenty of scumbag dregs out there. I’ve made my piece with it. But to pretend that a life isn’t worth living and that it has no chance to rise above the dreg parents ignores reality. They do have that option. I’ve seen it happen. I have 2 family members who are raising adopted children, and another who is the grandparent who has given up their comfort to raise a 6 year old because the prostitute mother (literally) is a sack of **** who won’t get her act together.

I fail to see how being aborted would have helped the children (especially the 2 adopted cousins living in the family with a multi millionaire adopted father lol).


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Still don't get it. As I posted previously, you have a right to be "a living example of your beliefs and moral foundation" as long as you don't infringe on the right of other fellow citizens to do the same. Or to use your beliefs to cause harm to other fellow citizens.

Pretty simple, don't ya think?
 
blackjack50 said:
Silly question or not...should it happen? I know you know the answer. You know I know your answer. So then why not post it? I would think answering a silly question would be easy.


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Silly meaning irrelvant and not applicable to the issue of abortion. Sorry you didnt understand the lack of connection there.

And I did post an answer to better enable your understanding anyway. Did you also not understand that?
 
blackjack50 said:
I find myself providing you a lot of definitions.



Do you see anything there about punishment?






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Yup.. and in this case it is a consequence that others would force on someone. You pick the most harmful to the woman each time.

Can you now see the distinction? And since you know the woman doesnt want a child...again: you are forcing a negative consequence (punishment) on someone (if you had the choice).
 
blackjack50 said:
No you don’t. You value the decision making and life style choices of one person over one who has not had the ability to do so.

Period.
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Sure I do. If a person who is in a coma has made their wishes known, I respect that and expect their legal guardian or representative to honor that. If no such documentation is available to support that, then I respect the legal guardian's decision (such as the mother in an abortion). If the person has made their wishes known and there's no formal legal document, then I would still expect their legal guardian to fulfill their wishes too but that's more of a legal matter than moral.


In my BELIEF...women should make rational decisions and act responsibly. And YOU agree with me.
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Of course. Where we disagree is that I believe enjoying sex and using birth control is indeed acting responsibly. And if pregnancy occurs, then abortion is also a rational decision and very responsible (which I have listed out for you).
 
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