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My Mother Should Have Aborted Me (article)

SheWolf said:
I don't think that is as common as mental health related suicide, but I am personally opposed to all kinds of suicide.
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I wouldn't say it's as common either. But they aren't mentally ill. They're just tired of the physical pain and know it's only going to get worse. Is your opposition based on religious reasons or something else?

And why on earth would you ask if I'm telling you to kill yourself?
 
SheWolf said:
Based on some comments in this thread, I am not sure I agree.
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Which comments? It's not from me. I would never encourage someone to end their life -- that's their choice to make.
 
Josie said:
I wouldn't say it's as common either. But they aren't mentally ill. They're just tired of the physical pain and know it's only going to get worse. Is your opposition based on religious reasons or something else?

And why on earth would you ask if I'm telling you to kill yourself?
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1. I would say both.

2. Your posting as if suicide is a rational choice for unhappiness and depression. I have had issues with depression myself.
 
SheWolf said:
1. I would say both.

2. Your posting as if suicide is a rational choice for unhappiness and depression. I have had issues with depression myself.
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You imagined the word "rational" in what I said. It's a choice - that's it.
 
SheWolf said:
Based on some comments in this thread, I am not sure I agree.
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Point me to one post where someone openly advocated for encouraging people to commit suicide. Not, "support." Encourage.

I'll wait.
 
Josie said:
Which comments? It's not from me. I would never encourage someone to end their life -- that's their choice to make.
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Their choice to make?

You must be familiar with the stories about little kids killing themselves because of bullying. The stories are commonly in the news it seems, and they are often very young kids, sometimes as young as 10. Is that really their choice to make? You should like you support such people ending their lives.
 
SheWolf said:
Their choice to make?

You must be familiar with the stories about little kids killing themselves because of bullying. The stories are commonly in the news it seems, and they are often very young kids, sometimes as young as 10. Is that really their choice to make? You should like you support such people ending their lives.
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*headdesk*

Have a nice day, SheWolf.
 
Phys251 said:
Point me to one post where someone openly advocated for encouraging people to commit suicide. Not, "support." Encourage.

I'll wait.
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post 6
post 11
post 20 - I also suggested it to you

that thread of exchanges
 
Josie said:
*headdesk*

Have a nice day, SheWolf.
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I find your language as very confusing... :shrug:

I have every reason to ask for clarification. If you don't want to talk about it, well, then ok.
 
SheWolf said:
I find your language as very confusing... :shrug:

I have every reason to ask for clarification. If you don't want to talk about it, well, then ok.
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You're the one confusing yourself by adding in words I never said and reading whatever you want into what I'm saying. You do this ALL THE TIME. Just respond to what I'm actually saying --- not what you imagine me saying.
 
SheWolf said:
Why do you say that? They should be enouraged to get proper treatement over kill themselves.
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In some jurisdictions suicidals are institutionalized like we used to do with homosexuals.
 
Josie said:
You're the one confusing yourself by adding in words I never said and reading whatever you want into what I'm saying. You do this ALL THE TIME. Just respond to what I'm actually saying --- not what you imagine me saying.
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"It's their choice to make."

I really don't know what you mean by that.
 
SheWolf said:
"It's their choice to make."

I really don't know what you mean by that.
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Exactly what it says. No one else can choose to commit suicide FOR you -- that's a homicide. We all have our own minds and make our own decisions. Therefore, suicide is a choice an individual makes. I'm not sure how much simpler I can say it for you.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
yes, look at the author, look at the other articles, it's a fake story meant to come off as a real one.


the sentiment of the story is that the people think they should have been aborted? I don't think so.
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Yes i do.

Why is that so difficult. The opportunity to be born into a better (not perfect) situation? Hell yeah. Count me in.

I have dealt with the situation I was born into.....but to be born to a non abusive home? Double hell yeah.

Some of what I went through made me stronger.....much of it did not.

But since retroactive abortion is not a "thing".....

Suicide is not abortion BTW. Abortion does not deal with a person. It deals with a embryo or fetus....
 
SheWolf said:
post 6
post 11
post 20 - I also suggested it to you

that thread of exchanges
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Let's see:

ReverendHellh0und said:
She seems to be arguing that she should have been aborted because she was a misfit at school and had a bad mom. No one is stopping her now. :lol:


I find her story suspect at best.
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I think that this was just distasteful humor. Not actual encouragement.

Scrabaholic said:
How pro life of you to suggest she kill herself.
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Not encouragement.

Josie said:
I also suggested it too. You should be allowed to make the choice to kill yourself if you feel like your life is worthless or you just don't want to live anymore. That's your choice.
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Not encouragement. I clearly pointed out the difference between encouraging people to commit suicide and advocating for their right to do it. Josie is without question doing the latter.
 
Praxas said:
And if conservatives have their way, you'll see more and more of this. They want less government control (i.e. less child protective services, closing abortion clinics, etc.) and more of letting "parents be parents". Welcome to Trump's America now.
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They want less abortion clinics "protecting" the babies?

Is that what they in there?
 
Josie said:
Not all people who want to die are mentally ill, SheWolf. And I agree with you that those who are should be supported and receive treatment.
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I agree with this. I have lost two siblings (bio half sister and adopted brother) to suicide - neither were mentally ill. My brother told two people he was going to do it, neither believed him. Anyone who says they are going to kill themself should be taken seriously. Always.
 
Josie said:
Exactly what it says. No one else can choose to commit suicide FOR you -- that's a homicide. We all have our own minds and make our own decisions. Therefore, suicide is a choice an individual makes. I'm not sure how much simpler I can say it for you.
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I would argue that a mentally ill, mentally comprised person, and especially a minor isn't in the situation to make proper decisions especially of such gravity. I don't believe a suicidal ten year old really understands what they are doing.

Research even says, mentally ill people with feelings of suicide shows up and can be observed in the brain. The brain is rewired. These person's decision making processes are not the same.

I understand you're arguing this from an absolute free will perspective, but don't you think that mental illness changes people and a person's age, mental fitnesses and health compromises decision making?
 
Phys251 said:
Let's see:



I think that this was just distasteful humor. Not actual encouragement.



Not encouragement.



Not encouragement. I clearly pointed out the difference between encouraging people to commit suicide and advocating for their right to do it. Josie is without question doing the latter.
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Thanks for your opinion
 
SheWolf said:
I would argue that a mentally ill, mentally comprised person, and especially a minor isn't in the situation to make proper decisions especially of such gravity. I don't believe a suicidal ten year old really understands what they are doing.

Research even says, mentally ill people with feelings of suicide shows up and can be observed in the brain. The brain is rewired. These person's decision making processes are not the same.

I understand you're arguing this from an absolute free will perspective, but don't you think that mental illness changes people and a person's age, mental fitnesses and health compromises decision making?
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Yes -- and I've been saying that all along.
 
Josie said:
Yes -- and I've been saying that all along.
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Yes, to what?

Yes, a person's age and mental fitness has nothing to do with their ability to make choices? Or yes, it does affect their decision making abilities?
 
SheWolf said:
Thanks for your opinion
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Don't make a factually incorrect point if you don't want it challenged, SheWolf. You said that you've struggled with suicide, so this is probably a tough subject for you to talk about. But that doesn't entitle you to distort the facts.
 
Phys251 said:
Don't make a factually incorrect point if you don't want it challenged, SheWolf. You said that you've struggled with suicide, so this is probably a tough subject for you to talk about. But that doesn't entitle you to distort the facts.
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I don't know why you think calling yourself an advocate for suicide makes you think that sounds any better or different than saying you don't encourage suicide.

"I am a suicide advocate, but I don't encourage it."

That sounds ridiculous.

So basically you just respect the fact that people kill themselves?
 
SheWolf said:
Yes, to what?

Yes, a person's age and mental fitness has nothing to do with their ability to make choices? Or yes, it does affect their decision making abilities?
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Any traumatic event or series of traumatic events is going to affect you mentally and can lead you to make bad choices.
 
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