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Mary Wagner jailed again after entering abortion center

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TORONTO, December 11, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Canadian pro-life rescuer Mary Wagner remains in jail after her arrest Friday at a Toronto abortion center where she and another woman were attempting to persuade women to choose life for their unborn babies.

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Wagner, 43, is charged with one count of mischief and two counts of breach of probation.

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Wagner has spent four years and eight months in jail to date for her peaceful efforts to save women and unborn children from the violence of abortion.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...ed-again-after-rescue-attempt-at-abortion-cen

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I couldn't find anything on other media, so had to use LifeSite.

People like her need to do serious prison time if they insist on continually breaking the law and violating probation. Like it or not, abortion is legal. She has no right to harass the women in the clinics.
 
Scrabaholic said:
TORONTO, December 11, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Canadian pro-life rescuer Mary Wagner remains in jail after her arrest Friday at a Toronto abortion center where she and another woman were attempting to persuade women to choose life for their unborn babies.

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Wagner, 43, is charged with one count of mischief and two counts of breach of probation.

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Wagner has spent four years and eight months in jail to date for her peaceful efforts to save women and unborn children from the violence of abortion.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...ed-again-after-rescue-attempt-at-abortion-cen

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I couldn't find anything on other media, so had to use LifeSite.

People like her need to do serious prison time if they insist on continually breaking the law and violating probation. Like it or not, abortion is legal. She has no right to harass the women in the clinics.
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Good.

Is this type of harassment more tightly regulated in Canada than it is here?
 
Scrabaholic said:
TORONTO, December 11, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Canadian pro-life rescuer Mary Wagner remains in jail after her arrest Friday at a Toronto abortion center where she and another woman were attempting to persuade women to choose life for their unborn babies.

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Wagner, 43, is charged with one count of mischief and two counts of breach of probation.

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Wagner has spent four years and eight months in jail to date for her peaceful efforts to save women and unborn children from the violence of abortion.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...ed-again-after-rescue-attempt-at-abortion-cen

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I couldn't find anything on other media, so had to use LifeSite.

People like her need to do serious prison time if they insist on continually breaking the law and violating probation. Like it or not, abortion is legal. She has no right to harass the women in the clinics.
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I like how they say 'peaceful' efforts. Those women should have asked her if she was willing to adopt the baby if they didn't abort. If they would raise it and pay for all expenses, etc., etc. All fanatic pro-lifers should put their beliefs where their mouth is. Offer some of these women a place to stay if they need it, financial support and cover all the expenses for having the baby. They they can adopt it.

Otherwise, mind your own ****ing business.
 
Those who harm the helpless are often angry at those who remind them of what they are doing. Bless this woman indeed.
 
holbritter said:
I like how they say 'peaceful' efforts. Those women should have asked her if she was willing to adopt the baby if they didn't abort. If they would raise it and pay for all expenses, etc., etc. All fanatic pro-lifers should put their beliefs where their mouth is. Offer some of these women a place to stay if they need it, financial support and cover all the expenses for having the baby. They they can adopt it.

Otherwise, mind your own ****ing business.
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Unless you are willing to personally take in and house every woman with a dangerous man in her life, you can't be against wife-beating.


Yeah. That makes sense.
 
holbritter said:
I like how they say 'peaceful' efforts. Those women should have asked her if she was willing to adopt the baby if they didn't abort. If they would raise it and pay for all expenses, etc., etc. All fanatic pro-lifers should put their beliefs where their mouth is. Offer some of these women a place to stay if they need it, financial support and cover all the expenses for having the baby. They they can adopt it.

Otherwise, mind your own ****ing business.
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Couldn't agree more. Especially how we've all been beaten over the head with that "if immigrants are so great, why don't you let them stay with you?" Line. But somehow that same line of reasoning doesn't apply to the anti-choice crowd.
 
I am pro-choice and she should suffer some consequences for breaking the law, but “serious prison time” should be reserved for violent criminals and predators.
 
cpwill said:
Those who harm the helpless are often angry at those who remind them of what they are doing. Bless this woman indeed.
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So you're OK with harassment of people who do things you don't like. Got it.
 
Phys251 said:
Good.

Is this type of harassment more tightly regulated in Canada than it is here?
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Yes, I believe it is. There is a "bubble zone" around all abortion clinics in Ontario. I don't know the laws in other provinces.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Yes, I believe it is. There is a "bubble zone" around all abortion clinics in Ontario. I don't know the laws in other provinces.
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That is good for the safety of abortion and other women's health patients there. It is absurd that that safety zone is so small here.
 
cpwill said:
Unless you are willing to personally take in and house every woman with a dangerous man in her life, you can't be against wife-beating.


Yeah. That makes sense.
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Non Sequitur. Wife beating is a false equivalency.
 
Scrabaholic said:
TORONTO, December 11, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) — Canadian pro-life rescuer Mary Wagner remains in jail after her arrest Friday at a Toronto abortion center where she and another woman were attempting to persuade women to choose life for their unborn babies.

snip

Wagner, 43, is charged with one count of mischief and two counts of breach of probation.

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Wagner has spent four years and eight months in jail to date for her peaceful efforts to save women and unborn children from the violence of abortion.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c...ed-again-after-rescue-attempt-at-abortion-cen

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I couldn't find anything on other media, so had to use LifeSite.

People like her need to do serious prison time if they insist on continually breaking the law and violating probation. Like it or not, abortion is legal. She has no right to harass the women in the clinics.
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She's in Canada. They don't protect citizens' freedom of religious practice there as much as we used to do in the USA.
 
joG said:
She's in Canada. They don't protect citizens' freedom of religious practice there as much as we used to do in the USA.
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Then the US government needs to fix that. Make our laws on religion more like Canada, IMO, of course.
 
holbritter said:
I like how they say 'peaceful' efforts. Those women should have asked her if she was willing to adopt the baby if they didn't abort. If they would raise it and pay for all expenses, etc., etc. All fanatic pro-lifers should put their beliefs where their mouth is. Offer some of these women a place to stay if they need it, financial support and cover all the expenses for having the baby. They they can adopt it.

Otherwise, mind your own ****ing business.
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To me it is beyond that.

My pregnancy was expected to be easy.

By the time all was said and done I had several major complications and surgery .I was the breadwinner in the family and was off work almost 6 months. I went deeply in debt. Took about 10 years to dig myself out of that debt.

I still have physical issues to this day relating to the pregnancy.

The pregnancy in and of itself can cause grave bodily harm to the woman...up to and including death. No way now how should any person decide for another what they are willing to risk.

I know 2 women that died within a day or two of child birth due to pregnancy. One due to a massive pulmonary embolus the other had a cerebral aneurysm that burst.(not known about before pregnancy -stress of childbirth caused the aneurysm to weaken and burst)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I am pro-choice and she should suffer some consequences for breaking the law, but “serious prison time” should be reserved for violent criminals and predators.
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Serious prison time is also appropriate for those who don't get the message the fourth or fifth time around.

She had also been given probation twice prior. What do you propose?
 
Phys251 said:
So you're OK with harassment of people who do things you don't like. Got it.
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I am more than fine with peaceful protest of infanticide, and I honor those who spend their time and effort trying to save lives. If they are willing to go to jail for it, all the more honor due them.
 
Removable Mind said:
Non Sequitur. Wife beating is a false equivalency.
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The idea that you cannot be against other's receiving abuse unless you personally are willing to undertake the care for every single abused person is ridiculous, regardless of which particular abuse you are discussing :shrug:

It reminds me of those whose responses to the Abolitionists were "well what are we going to do with all the blacks?!?"
 
I can almost guarantee you this woman is a fundie Christian. They are highly annoying and like to mind other people's business
 
cpwill said:
The idea that you cannot be against other's receiving abuse unless you personally are willing to undertake the care for every single abused person is ridiculous, regardless of which particular abuse you are discussing :shrug:

It reminds me of those whose responses to the Abolitionists were "well what are we going to do with all the blacks?!?"
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The yet to be born aren’t legal persons.
 
cpwill said:
I am more than fine with peaceful protest of infanticide, and I honor those who spend their time and effort trying to save lives. If they are willing to go to jail for it, all the more honor due them.
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It is their right and your right to consider abortion to be "infanticide." It is not their right to harass women who are peacefully exercising their own right to an abortion.

You do not get to pick and choose which group has rights and which one does not.
 
Phys251 said:
It is their right and your right to consider abortion to be "infanticide." It is not their right to harass women who are peacefully exercising their own right to an abortion.
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:shrug: it may not be lawful, it remains their right, and they remain right to do so. My ancestors in the Abolitionist movement found themselves on the wrong side of the law a couple of times - and they were right to be there nonetheless.

You do not get to pick and choose which group has rights and which one does not.
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cpwill said:
The idea that you cannot be against other's receiving abuse unless you personally are willing to undertake the care for every single abused person is ridiculous, regardless of which particular abuse you are discussing :shrug:
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Your wife beating analogy implies that women should stay in abusive relationships. Otherwise, having an abortion is like leaving the relationship if adopting a baby is like taking in an abused woman. By your analogy,
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: it may not be lawful, it remains their right, and they remain right to do so. My ancestors in the Abolitionist movement found themselves on the wrong side of the law a couple of times - and they were right to be there nonetheless.
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And here come the "anti-abortionists = abolitionists/civil rights activists" etc. Tell me, will, are you OK with anti-choicers' license plate harassment? Maybe you were a staunch defender of the blatantly illegal secret recording of Planned Parenthood workers' discussion on shipping fees of fetal tissue. You guys like to lie and harass all. The. Time.

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Nope. A fetus does not have the same rights as a human. But nice try though.
 
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