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Mary Wagner jailed again after entering abortion center

cpwill said:
I am more than fine with peaceful protest of infanticide, and I honor those who spend their time and effort trying to save lives. If they are willing to go to jail for it, all the more honor due them.
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"infanticide"??

The why aren't you out everyday protesting against war and famine?
 
Phys251 said:
And here come the "anti-abortionists = abolitionists/civil rights activists" etc. Tell me, will, are you OK with anti-choicers' license plate harassment? Maybe you were a staunch defender of the blatantly illegal secret recording of Planned Parenthood workers' discussion on shipping fees of fetal tissue. You guys like to lie and harass all. The. Time.
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If you don't like being reminded of how you abuse the helpless, perhaps you should stop doing so.

Nope. A fetus does not have the same rights as a human. But nice try though.
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Human rights belong to humans. Whether they are recognized or not is irrelevant.
 
jet57 said:
"infanticide"??

The why aren't you out everyday protesting against war and famine?
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Advocating for health care would be a start.

Are they still holding CHIP hostage?
 
year2late said:
Advocating for health care would be a start.

Are they still holding CHIP hostage?
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It's a Bible thing with these people, nothing more. They're ignorant and discriminatory and never back up what they preach. They've just gone through history burning witches, looking for commies under their beds and now harassing women.
 
cpwill said:
If you don't like being reminded of how you abuse the helpless, perhaps you should stop doing so.
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So you're OK with the harassment and illegal acts I described? They're fine as long as they come from your side?

Human rights belong to humans. Whether they are recognized or not is irrelevant.
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Your interpretation of that is your opinion.
 
Phys251 said:
So you're OK with the harassment and illegal acts I described? They're fine as long as they come from your side?
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You define Harassment as "that which makes me feel uncomfortable for deeply abusing the rights of helpless victims", and I'm not really gonna care, no. As for law :shrug: civil disobedience is the way we have established to oppose laws which abuse the weak, and I'm not about to dishonor people for doing so.

Those who abuse others have always maintained the angriest reaction for those who point out those abuses to them, and don't let them look away. No one likes to be reminded of the uglier side of that which they justify. So I'm also not surprised at the vitriol against this woman, or those who expose PP.
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: and slaves' rights weren't recognized before the Civil War, either.
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Non Sequitur.

Slaves were born beings and who sustained the wealth of most of the Framers. The Framers weren’t dumb asses, they possessed power to create laws that were intended to protect their property and wealth. They could call anybody pretty much anything. If women didn’t have vaginas and laid eggs to reproduce, the Framers would have made laws that allowed them to be treated damn near like farm animals.

I can hear the Framers talking now. “Gezzzzz, let’s call them property so we can use them for free labor.”

Any idiot of their time knew that blacks were a different race, just like abused Chinese (abused but never considered property). Even American Indians were considered as human beings, but ultra primitive.

African’s visibly had every body component whites did. They knew.

In Africa blacks didn’t even regard themselves as being black, much less not being people (in whatever term they considered human beings/persons to be).

America governments discriminated against damn near everybody from Europe and Asia at one time or another.

Even young children were worked like farm animals in factories during the Industrial Age. Worked up to 20 hours a day and were charged all of their pay to be boarded and feed just enough not to die. A lot of them did die anyway from unsafe work conditions. THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED this abuse by factory owner.

I’m never ceased to be amazed that you value fetuses more than the women who host their presence. Guess women are just breeding stock to pro-life advocates.
 
joG said:
She's in Canada. They don't protect citizens' freedom of religious practice there as much as we used to do in the USA.
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What religion requires adherents to go into abortion clinics and harass the patients?
 
cpwill said:
You define Harassment as "that which makes me feel uncomfortable for deeply abusing the rights of helpless victims", and I'm not really gonna care, no.
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And there it is. You are okay with illegal harassment. At least I know now.
 
Scrabaholic said:
What religion requires adherents to go into abortion clinics and harass the patients?
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Ask them. Religion is not a science. It's a personal thing. But Congress shall make no law....
 
Phys251 said:
And there it is. You are okay with illegal harassment. At least I know now.
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If the State is going to throw people in jail for opposing the murder of innocents :shrug: then prison is where we should belong. Good on this individual.
 
Removable Mind said:
Non Sequitur.

Slaves were born beings and who sustained the wealth of most of the Framers. The Framers weren’t dumb asses, they possessed power to create laws that were intended to protect their property and wealth. They could call anybody pretty much anything. If women didn’t have vaginas and laid eggs to reproduce, the Framers would have made laws that allowed them to be treated damn near like farm animals.

I can hear the Framers talking now. “Gezzzzz, let’s call them property so we can use them for free labor.”

Any idiot of their time knew that blacks were a different race, just like abused Chinese (abused but never considered property). Even American Indians were considered as human beings, but ultra primitive.

African’s visibly had every body component whites did. They knew.

In Africa blacks didn’t even regard themselves as being black, much less not being people (in whatever term they considered human beings/persons to be).

America governments discriminated against damn near everybody from Europe and Asia at one time or another.

Even young children were worked like farm animals in factories during the Industrial Age. Worked up to 20 hours a day and were charged all of their pay to be boarded and feed just enough not to die. A lot of them did die anyway from unsafe work conditions. THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED this abuse by factory owner.

I’m never ceased to be amazed that you value fetuses more than the women who host their presence. Guess women are just breeding stock to pro-life advocates.
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:lol: I never cease to be entertained by those who think that opposition to killing children must come from some kind of anti-woman animus. If you folks think I'm Pro Life, you should meet my wife :)


But I like how, in this thread, you attempt to conflate "law" with "rights", and then give a nice list of incidents in history when those two things have not overlapped at all.
 
cpwill said:
:lol: I never cease to be entertained by those who think that opposition to killing children must come from some kind of anti-woman animus. If you folks think I'm Pro Life, you should meet my wife :)


But I like how, in this thread, you attempt to conflate "law" with "rights", and then give a nice list of incidents in history when those two things have not overlapped at all.
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Children aren’t being killed. You know that’s against the law. Right?
 
joG said:
Ask them. Religion is not a science. It's a personal thing. But Congress shall make no law....
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YOU claimed that religion isn't protected here in Canada. Your inability to answer my question is noted.
 
Removable Mind said:
Non Sequitur.

Slaves were born beings and who sustained the wealth of most of the Framers. The Framers weren’t dumb asses, they possessed power to create laws that were intended to protect their property and wealth. They could call anybody pretty much anything. If women didn’t have vaginas and laid eggs to reproduce, the Framers would have made laws that allowed them to be treated damn near like farm animals.

I can hear the Framers talking now. “Gezzzzz, let’s call them property so we can use them for free labor.”

Any idiot of their time knew that blacks were a different race, just like abused Chinese (abused but never considered property). Even American Indians were considered as human beings, but ultra primitive.

African’s visibly had every body component whites did. They knew.

In Africa blacks didn’t even regard themselves as being black, much less not being people (in whatever term they considered human beings/persons to be).

America governments discriminated against damn near everybody from Europe and Asia at one time or another.

Even young children were worked like farm animals in factories during the Industrial Age. Worked up to 20 hours a day and were charged all of their pay to be boarded and feed just enough not to die. A lot of them did die anyway from unsafe work conditions. THE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED this abuse by factory owner.

I’m never ceased to be amazed that you value fetuses more than the women who host their presence. Guess women are just breeding stock to pro-life advocates.
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If one decides to create a human, one has had one's choice. Thereafter it is killing the human one made.
 
Scrabaholic said:
What religion requires adherents to go into abortion clinics and harass the patients?
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Beside that, was it actually an abortion only clinic?

I have often seen folks showing solidarity by posting pictures of protests around "abortion clinics". Then when you look up the location it is clear that the clinic is multipurpose....doing everything from basic contraception to treatment of pre-cancers.

Not sure how the clinics in Canada work.
 
cpwill said:
Unless you are willing to personally take in and house every woman with a dangerous man in her life, you can't be against wife-beating.


Yeah. That makes sense.
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That's a dumb comparison.
 
Desert Storm said:
I can almost guarantee you this woman is a fundie Christian. They are highly annoying and like to mind other people's business
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The OP's link identifies Mary Wagner as a practicing Catholic.
 
year2late said:
Beside that, was it actually an abortion only clinic?

I have often seen folks showing solidarity by posting pictures of protests around "abortion clinics". Then when you look up the location it is clear that the clinic is multipurpose....doing everything from basic contraception to treatment of pre-cancers.

Not sure how the clinics in Canada work.
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You are right. This clinic does more than abortions:

Women's Care Clinic was established in 1996 to provide the very best reproductive health services available in the Greater Toronto Area. Emergency Contraceptive: "Morning After IUD" can be inserted at our Clinic. We perform medical abortions with MIFEGYMISO pills and surgical procedures, gynecological exams, birth control counselling, check-ups, Pregnancy tests with ultrasound and IUD insertion/removal. We are located in Toronto, 960 Lawrence Ave. West.

Women's Care Clinic Toronto - Compassionate Reproductive Care and Related Services
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So the woman was possible deterring someone trying to prevent an abortion as well.

Nice.:roll:
 
Scrabaholic said:
People like her need to do serious prison time if they insist on continually breaking the law and violating probation. Like it or not, abortion is legal. She has no right to harass the women in the clinics.
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They should give her jail time at home, one of those ankle bracelets, so that she costs your taxpayers less.

And cut off her Internet. It would be a huge favor to her. She probably wallows in those awful, sad late term abortion pictures that are medically necessary and uncommon. I've never understood strangers dwelling on the unborn of others, self-indulgently personifying them, visualizing them, working themselves up over something to the extent that it enables them to completely disregard the woman carrying it...like she's some container with no life of her own that matters. As if the life of the unborn is more important?
 
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