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For teen girls, abortion linked to better outcomes vs. giving birth

WCH said:
Acts of violence against the helpless are in no way, part of God's plan.
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TOO BAD UNBORN HUMANS DON'T QUALIFY AS "HELPLESS", THEN. After all, because they infuse the mind-altering substance oxytocin into the bodies of their hosts, they cause a large percentage of their hosts to act as their defenders. And because they LOOK like ordinary human persons, they cause certain Stupidly Prejudiced actual persons to swallow a lie, and rise to their defense. No entity is truly helpless when it has defenders, however drugged or deluded they might be.
 
WCH said:
Say the women seeking convenience and freedom of guilt from being irresponsible.
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Perhaps they seek abortion because they cannot afford to be pregnant....are already scrambling to get enough shifts to pay rent and utilities. Perhaps they have poor access to decent health care and if they went to the county for care would have to lose even more shifts...risking homelessness. My guess is they do not feel guilt and feel the abortion was the most responsible course of action.
 
WCH said:
Acts of violence against the helpless are in no way, part of God's plan.
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There’s a huge hole in your God’s plan theory.

To claim the above is to claim you know God’s mind, God’s actions, God’s reasons for intervening in everything from mass human events to some individual desperate person’s life and ignoring others base on some element of the larger plan, etc, etc.

There have been people throughout history and in current times who use the claim to know what God’s plan as a way to imply that knowing God’s plan has been granted to them by God directly or through some unique bible translation abilities that few possess.

To be a human who possess special knowledge, insight, and privilege regarding God’s plan almost makes them supernatural. To your knowledge, has God granted you special knowledge about his, her, or its plan for all human existence directly or via translation abilities of the Bible?

I opine that you are absolutely clueless about God’s plan. That God hasn’t grant you special knowledge about his, her, its plan.
 
WCH said:
Keep telling yourself that
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More than 95% of all abortions are flushing a pea-sized embryo or fetus out of a womb is not violence. And for the unborn there is no pain or awareness.

Believing otherwise is just a self-righteous self-indulgence clung to in order to dishonestly stoke outrage in others.
 
WCH said:
Say the women seeking convenience and freedom of guilt from being irresponsible.
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Sorry, that's your fantasy. Most women have better ability to reason and understand that doubling down on a mistake or accident and being more irresponsible is stupid. Same with married couples not yet ready for kids or cant afford them. Or should they just not risk their birth control failing and not have sex?

I like reinforcing this, so once again, why abortion is not an irresponsible option:
There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance.

There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and may abuse or neglect.

There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.

There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.
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year2late said:
How do you know they are not being honest?

This should be good.:lamo
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They well could be emotionless, robot-like morons but, most aren't. Their peers and the loud-mouth activists will keep them silent.
 
year2late said:
Perhaps they seek abortion because they cannot afford to be pregnant....are already scrambling to get enough shifts to pay rent and utilities. Perhaps they have poor access to decent health care and if they went to the county for care would have to lose even more shifts...risking homelessness. My guess is they do not feel guilt and feel the abortion was the most responsible course of action.
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Then they haven't been raised right.
 
Removable Mind said:
There’s a huge hole in your God’s plan theory.

To claim the above is to claim you know God’s mind, God’s actions, God’s reasons for intervening in everything from mass human events to some individual desperate person’s life and ignoring others base on some element of the larger plan, etc, etc.

There have been people throughout history and in current times who use the claim to know what God’s plan as a way to imply that knowing God’s plan has been granted to them by God directly or through some unique bible translation abilities that few possess.

To be a human who possess special knowledge, insight, and privilege regarding God’s plan almost makes them supernatural. To your knowledge, has God granted you special knowledge about his, her, or its plan for all human existence directly or via translation abilities of the Bible?

I opine that you are absolutely clueless about God’s plan. That God hasn’t grant you special knowledge about his, her, its plan.
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I've studied and now believe that "thou shall not kill"

Plus I'm not taking the word of a heathen non-believer who is likely inspired by Satan. You decide if this applies to you or others here.
 
Lursa said:
More than 95% of all abortions are flushing a pea-sized embryo or fetus out of a womb is not violence. And for the unborn there is no pain or awareness.

Believing otherwise is just a self-righteous self-indulgence clung to in order to dishonestly stoke outrage in others.
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I could say the same of your beliefs. Next.
 
Lursa said:
Sorry, that's your fantasy. Most women have better ability to reason and understand that doubling down on a mistake or accident and being more irresponsible is stupid. Same with married couples not yet ready for kids or cant afford them. Or should they just not risk their birth control failing and not have sex?

I like reinforcing this, so once again, why abortion is not an irresponsible option:
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As she puts all the fault on the helpless being whose only desire was to be wanted and loved. These excuses don't fly.
 
WCH said:
They well could be emotionless, robot-like morons but, most aren't. Their peers and the loud-mouth activists will keep them silent.
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You are mistaken. They are normal women who experienced an unwanted pregnancy. From the American Psychiatric Association Task Force on Mental Health and Abortion



The Task Force concluded that there is no credible evidence that a single elective abortion of an unwanted pregnancy in and of itself causes mental health problems for adult women.
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WCH said:
They well could be emotionless, robot-like morons but, most aren't. Their peers and the loud-mouth activists will keep them silent.
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Stop lying.

Unless you have evidence that there is a coordinated effort to silence them...

Which you don't.

Because you are lying, again.

If you believe in your point of view so much....why do you need to lie to "support" it?
 
How much better are the outcomes for abortions performed on girls who are still in the birth canal?

Anyone have a "study" on this?
 
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SirGareth said:
How healthy are abortions for girls still in the birth canal?
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Girls that are in the birthcanal are not born yet, The cannot be pregnant let alone have an abortion.

Weird.
 
WCH said:
I've studied and now believe that "thou shall not kill"

Plus I'm not taking the word of a heathen non-believer who is likely inspired by Satan. You decide if this applies to you or others here.
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In other words you don’t know God’s plan, which also includes the possibility that as a part God’s plan, God uses people to impose death on other people. Or intervenes by inspiring women to have abortions.

Humans aren’t supernatural. It’s impossible to know what, why, when, and how a creator of the universe implements a plan from the beginning to the end of time.

You don’t have a clue when and for what reasons God may have to intervene in human events.

And I also believe that since you don’t have clue about God’s plans (the what, why, when and how), you can include not having a clue about the what, why, when, and how’s about Satan’s enterprise, which is apparently tricking people into abandoning their beliefs and faith in God and makes them compelled to engage in behaviors that they otherwise wouldn’t do. You know, like killing.

What humans can do is be a living example of their beliefs and faith as long as they don’t infringe on the right of others to do the same.
 
WCH said:
Then they haven't been raised right.
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So perpetuating the cycle of unwanted and/or poorly raised kids is your goal here? Those struggles greatly reduce the risk of success for a single mother in developing a career rather than a hourly job living paycheck to paycheck. Reduces her chances of living in a safer neighborhood with better public school for her kids and no gangs. Reduces her chances of escaping poverty. struggling to make ends meet raises the stresses she has to live with, sometimes creating a neglectful or abusive home. It also may mean less time she can spend with her kid period.

Soooo, what is your point again about encouraging these women to have babies?
 
WCH said:
I could say the same of your beliefs. Next.
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I posted facts. Not beliefs.

But I already know you ignore the facts in order to maintain your beliefs on this issue.

That was exactly what that post said :doh
 
Lursa said:
So perpetuating the cycle of unwanted and/or poorly raised kids is your goal here? Those struggles greatly reduce the risk of success for a single mother in developing a career rather than a hourly job living paycheck to paycheck. Reduces her chances of living in a safer neighborhood with better public school for her kids and no gangs. Reduces her chances of escaping poverty. struggling to make ends meet raises the stresses she has to live with, sometimes creating a neglectful or abusive home. It also may mean less time she can spend with her kid period.

Soooo, what is your point again about encouraging these women to have babies?
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A permanent underclass, since slavery is illegal.
 
WCH said:
As she puts all the fault on the helpless being whose only desire was to be wanted and loved. These excuses don't fly.
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No blame on the unborn, you just made that up. (Just like the unborn having any desire. Wut?)

It's just using words properly, like "responsible" and "irresponsible," and recognizing the realities of life and where the responsibilities end up falling if you have a kid you are not prepared for. If a woman can make a responsible choice, such as abortion if that is what is right for her, then she is acting in a mature manner, with a view to a better future for herself and her family, current and future. Making tough decisions is also a mark of maturity and responsibility.
 
SirGareth said:
How much better are the outcomes for abortions performed on girls who are still in the birth canal?

Anyone have a "study" on this?
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Oh quick! Provide the numbers on that so I can look it up and give you an answer!!! :roll:
 
SirGareth said:
How much better are the outcomes for abortions performed on girls who are still in the birth canal?

Anyone have a "study" on this?
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Lursa said:
Oh quick! Provide the numbers on that so I can look it up and give you an answer!!! :roll:
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Is his scenario the result of having sex during pregnancy? :lamo
 
SirGareth said:
How much better are the outcomes for abortions performed on girls who are still in the birth canal?

Anyone have a "study" on this?
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