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Our Own Auschwiz[W:602]

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EnigmaO01 said:
So unprotected sex is totally the woman's responsibility and fault?
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Much more so than the man who can pull his britches up and walk away...
 
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Bucky said:
Once again, you would have a valid point if capitalism forced women into having sex.

Nobody forces a women into having a sex.
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I don't know pro lifers are trying to screw women over in the ''game'' so to speak.

Nobody is forcing women to have an abortion either. It's her decision to go through with it or not.
 
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Bucky said:
My biggest thing is: personal responsibility.

Take responsibility. If you commit a crime, take responsibility. If you make a mistake take responsibility. If you have sex and get pregnant. Take responsibility.

An abortion is such a pathetic short cut. It really bothers me.
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It's very personally responsible to not have a child that you cannot support. It's irresponsible to expect the taxpayers to help you raise it. And irresponsible to add more children to an already overloaded US adoption system of more than 100,000 adoptable kids.

However if women choose to make those choices, I believe that is their decision.
 
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truthatallcost said:
No, but not sleeping with a guy who won't stick around is.
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And when he lies about it? Says he loves her to get her into bed?

Wants to spend his life with her? Says he'll marry her? It's not uncommon for men to do that just to get sex, or sex on a regular basis.
 
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Lursa said:
And when he lies about it? Says he loves her to get her into bed?

Wants to spend his life with her? Says he'll marry her? It's not uncommon for men to do that just to get sex, or sex on a regular basis.
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Oh yeah, people lie all the time in order to get what they want. I've heard of that. It's up to you to decide which lies you're willing to believe.
 
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Lursa said:
And when he lies about it? Says he loves her to get her into bed?

Wants to spend his life with her? Says he'll marry her? It's not uncommon for men to do that just to get sex, or sex on a regular basis.
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If you sign onto a fraud, you're stuffed. Thus: Caveat emptor or perhaps mire appreciately her: Quidquid agis, prudenter agar et respice finem. ;)
 
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joG said:
If you sign onto a fraud, you're stuffed. Thus: Caveat emptor or perhaps mire appreciately her: Quidquid agis, prudenter agar et respice finem. ;)
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Absolutely. I dont support women giving in to that crap. It's just an example to show the low-brow methods men may use to get sex.

I think a woman should have sex with whom she wants, when she wants, and not be dependent on some claim of commitment from a man.
 
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Bucky said:
My biggest thing is: personal responsibility.

Take responsibility. If you commit a crime, take responsibility. If you make a mistake take responsibility. If you have sex and get pregnant. Take responsibility.

An abortion is such a pathetic short cut. It really bothers me.
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Good.
 
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Elvira said:
So was it miraculous conception? That would be only the second one in history...
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Maybe the first given there’s no actual proof that there was ever one in the history of humanity.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Oh yeah, people lie all the time in order to get what they want. I've heard of that. It's up to you to decide which lies you're willing to believe.
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Really? You can always tell when someone is lying?

I guess I should write SCOTUS, tell 'em to suggest changing the Constitution so that we can overhaul our justice system. No more courts, no juries needed, that's for sure.

From "innocent until proven guilty" to "innocent."

I guess no more lawyers would be ok.
 
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Lursa said:
Really? You can always tell when someone is lying?

I guess I should write SCOTUS, tell 'em to suggest changing the Constitution so that we can overhaul our justice system. No more courts, no juries needed, that's for sure.

From "innocent until proven guilty" to "innocent."

I guess no more lawyers would be ok.
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Women lie to get what they want too. I read about the divorce of John Frusciante from his wife. He's the ex-guitar player of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. His ex-wife married him for his money, tricked him into thinking she loved him, and then instructed her attorney to demand $72,000 a month for life in alimony, after only 4 years of marriage. How often does that kind of thing go on, where a man spends years building a career, only to be lied to by a woman who is intent on taking everything she can from him?
 
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truthatallcost said:
Women lie to get what they want too. I read about the divorce of John Frusciante from his wife. He's the ex-guitar player of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. His ex-wife married him for his money, tricked him into thinking she loved him, and then instructed her attorney to demand $72,000 a month for life in alimony, after only 4 years of marriage. How often does that kind of thing go on, where a man spends years building a career, only to be lied to by a woman who is intent on taking everything she can from him?
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Nuh huh...nobody said people dont lie.

We were discussing you blaming women for believing lying men.
 
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Lursa said:
Nuh huh...nobody said people dont lie.

We were discussing you blaming women for believing lying men.
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Weren't these women sexually aroused when they decided to sleep with the guy who was going to make a lousy father/boyfriend? Unplanned pregnancies aren't just the fault of the father, but rather both parents.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Weren't these women sexually aroused when they decided to sleep with the guy who was going to make a lousy father/boyfriend? Unplanned pregnancies aren't just the fault of the father, but rather both parents.
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what does arousal have to do with it? Men lie to get women into bed all the time.

It is the fault of both but it's wrong to blame people for trusting others.
 
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Lursa said:
what does arousal have to do with it? Men lie to get women into bed all the time.

It is the fault of both but it's wrong to blame people for trusting others.
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What draws women towards men who are going to lie to them, in the first place? The need for drama?
 
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truthatallcost said:
What draws women towards men who are going to lie to them, in the first place? The need for drama?
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What draws men to women that justifies them lying to them? The need for sex?
 
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Lursa said:
What draws men to women that justifies them lying to them? The need for sex?
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Yes, men have an overpowering need for sex. I'm not into denying that, it's just true.

No man would stand a chance at getting laid if he didn't know how to talk to women. And yes, many times that means telling them what they want to hear, which isn't necessarily anything rooted in reality.
 
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Bucky said:
My biggest thing is: personal responsibility.
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A STUPID LIE. Since you tell certain lies often in the Overall Abortion Debate, and refuse to acknowledge that that's what you do. (Just like all other abortion opponents, since none of you have any valid rationale to oppose abortion, all you-all do is spout lies and call them "reasons".)

Bucky said:
If you have sex and get pregnant. Take responsibility.
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WHO ARE YOU TO DEFINE WHAT QUALIFIES AS A MANNER OF TAKING RESPONSIBILITY? Just because a random human pregnancy might exist, that doesn't make it more special than, say, a random rat pregnancy.

Bucky said:
An abortion is such a pathetic short cut.
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PAYING FOR THE ABORTION OF AN UNWANTED PREGNANCY IS ONE WAY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. Insisting that pregnancies yield births, yet refusing to support those births, is NOT a way to be responsible!
 
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OldFatGuy said:
All conceptions are miraculous. Only one of 2-5 million sperm cells actually commence embryonic formation, 51% of fertilized ova fail within 12 days, and 31% of pregnancies end in miscarriages. Successful conception is a miracle. Now, on the other hand, if you confused miraculous with immaculate, and you claim only one pregnancy resulted in human history without a man's donation of a sperm cell, but parthenogenesis at the behest of a god, we don't really know if that is historically accurate, other than as a matter of faith and belief.
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And of course the Immaculate Conception is a myth, not history.
 
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truthatallcost said:
What draws women towards men who are going to lie to them, in the first place? The need for drama?
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Somebody trusts another and all of a sudden it is a need for drama???

WTH?
 
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truthatallcost said:
Yes, men have an overpowering need for sex. I'm not into denying that, it's just true.

No man would stand a chance at getting laid if he didn't know how to talk to women. And yes, many times that means telling them what they want to hear, which isn't necessarily anything rooted in reality.
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So you blame women, that initially try to avoid having sex with the men, but then decide to trust them?

And you equated that to wanting drama?

How about an overwhelming need to be loved instead?
 
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TheGoverness said:
That is a weird implication.
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No kidding.

If honesty is a virtue....is not expectation of honesty a virtue?

Not having spidey senses for horndog liars is not a negative. It just is not a positive.
 
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